Trump approval ratings thread 1.2

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Trump is more popular in Montana than Nebraska?

Well alrighty.

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One thing I've always wondered is, what did Donald J. Trump ever do to deserve this kind of loyalty and trust from his supporters? All he did was run his mouth for 1.5 years leading up the election, and bam, instant loyalty. God, I mean even I never trusted Obama like that. Especially not Clinton either (both of them - although Bill was getting elected for the first time as I was being born, so he is mostly irrelevant to me). It doesn't seem to matter what the accusation against Trump is - the first thing that runs through their mind is, "this must be bs," and every thought thereafter is just a series of attempts to delegitimize or argue against it. It doesn't matter what it is. A tape comes out showing him bragging about groping women, then accusers follow backing it up, and no, it's just "locker room talk." He makes fun of a disabled journalist on STAGE AT A RALLY ON LIVE TV, and suddenly it's "just a joke." Crickets on his scam Trump University. "It's nothing" on his super profitable DC hotel while he's president, with international diplomats pouring money into it to curry favor. Crickets! And finally when they admit something must be true, they then say "it doesn't matter." For christs sake, if you just care about your party holding power, just say it. Just say the man is a trash-talking liar, but at least you're getting the policy you want. At least that's being honest.

Again, I just don't get what this man has ever done to deserve such loyalty. He's not a nice man. He's such a blatant jerk and has a solid reputation for putting himself first and lying day and night right through his teeth. It's not even like it's hard to prove it most of the time. He lies blatantly, even when he's caught. It's just become so normal for this to happen that hardly anyone brings it up anymore. And god forbid I link politifact, as Trump long ago labeled that FAKE NEWS and his followers instinctively treat it as such, even though they document his falsehoods - which are way higher than past presidents and presidential candidates. Did it ever dawn on them why Trump has so viciously gone after every single institution that can or has tried to put a check on his power? The media. Fact-checking sites. LAW ENFORCEMENT. How is it not obvious what he's trying to do?


As a new year's resolution, I just hope for some Trump supporters to take a step back and maybe try to assess the situation a bit more objectively. Genuinely ask themselves whether they may trust Trump a little too much, or at least WHY do they trust him so much. Maybe wonder if any politician deserves that, but particularly one with so much bad history.

Truth be told, I think just plain apathy in the country has a lot to do with it.  Politics nerds like us overestimate the portion of Americans who are actively engaged in politics (and by "actively engaged," I mean people who make some effort to learn what's going on in the world).  If Americans voted at the rates people in social democratic countries do, any candidate like Trump would be overwhelmingly rejected at the polls.  If people cared as much about politics as they care about celebrities' personal lives, this country's leadership would look very, very different.

Of course, there's also a severe lack of critical thinking in this country.  The corporate media takes a huge share of the blame for that.  They did, after all, give us Trump.

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One thing I've always wondered is, what did Donald J. Trump ever do to deserve this kind of loyalty and trust from his supporters? All he did was run his mouth for 1.5 years leading up the election, and bam, instant loyalty. God, I mean even I never trusted Obama like that. Especially not Clinton either (both of them - although Bill was getting elected for the first time as I was being born, so he is mostly irrelevant to me). It doesn't seem to matter what the accusation against Trump is - the first thing that runs through their mind is, "this must be bs," and every thought thereafter is just a series of attempts to delegitimize or argue against it. It doesn't matter what it is. A tape comes out showing him bragging about groping women, then accusers follow backing it up, and no, it's just "locker room talk." He makes fun of a disabled journalist on STAGE AT A RALLY ON LIVE TV, and suddenly it's "just a joke." Crickets on his scam Trump University. "It's nothing" on his super profitable DC hotel while he's president, with international diplomats pouring money into it to curry favor. Crickets! And finally when they admit something must be true, they then say "it doesn't matter." For christs sake, if you just care about your party holding power, just say it. Just say the man is a trash-talking liar, but at least you're getting the policy you want. At least that's being honest.

Again, I just don't get what this man has ever done to deserve such loyalty. He's not a nice man. He's such a blatant jerk and has a solid reputation for putting himself first and lying day and night right through his teeth. It's not even like it's hard to prove it most of the time. He lies blatantly, even when he's caught. It's just become so normal for this to happen that hardly anyone brings it up anymore. And god forbid I link politifact, as Trump long ago labeled that FAKE NEWS and his followers instinctively treat it as such, even though they document his falsehoods - which are way higher than past presidents and presidential candidates. Did it ever dawn on them why Trump has so viciously gone after every single institution that can or has tried to put a check on his power? The media. Fact-checking sites. LAW ENFORCEMENT. How is it not obvious what he's trying to do?


As a new year's resolution, I just hope for some Trump supporters to take a step back and maybe try to assess the situation a bit more objectively. Genuinely ask themselves whether they may trust Trump a little too much, or at least WHY do they trust him so much. Maybe wonder if any politician deserves that, but particularly one with so much bad history.

I think it's combinations of class, race, gender and cultural wars.

One reason I accurately predicted Trump's possible victory, despite being torn apart by people on this message board, was because I see myself and my family as your traditional white-working class American household.

My mom went to Catholic school but isn't overtly religious and doesn't go to church regularly. She voted for Obama twice but is against gay marriage, rolls her eyes at racial things like "black lives matters" and voted enthusiastically for Donald Trump. She would care less if there was a true Muslim ban in the country. She has no vested interest in any liberal causes. She can jam to a Beyonce song but rolls her eyes when she wears a black panthers-type outfit at a Superbowl halftime show. She roots for Lebron James but rolls her eyes or shrugs when he campaigns with Hillary Clinton.

Basically, she's not ideological. She votes for who makes her comfortable. Now you might wonder, why would a 49 year old woman be comfortable with a guy like Donald Trump? Well, she graduated High School in 1986 in Cleveland Ohio. The people around her were predominately Italians, Polish, and almost all Catholic. They had pictures of Pope John Paul II on their walls, idolized stories about the wonderful J.F.K. and voted for Ronald Reagan. They lived in almost all white neighborhoods, and she grew up with three brothers and is twice married with a conservative old-fashioned son (me).

I'll give you this: the sentences in bold perfectly illustrate the problem with American voters.  Half the country doesn't vote, but probably a majority of those who do vote almost entirely on emotion or gut instinct.  It's kind of interesting really, because I recall you indicating in one of your past sexist screeds that men are inherently more "logical" than women, who supposedly make decisions and vote on their 'emotions.'

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Wow this is almost the exact plot to "Life is Strange."  Zany.

But just because your mother didn't appear to react negatively to this doesn't make what that teacher did okay.  My mom had a sicko for a teacher in high school, too.  Literally gave her the choice to either sleep with him, for which she would get all A's for the semester, or not sleep with him and fail the class.  She took the F's, didn't tell anyone about this until my grandfather years after the fact, and he was (rightly) fuming and upset that it was too late to do anything at that point.  I wonder how many teenage girls he did end up molesting, and getting away with.

So people DO care.  Maybe you don't.  Maybe your mother doesn't.  What's different between now and our parents' generation is that this kind of behavior is no longer socially acceptable because people are done being silent.  Tolerating harassment doesn't make you "un-PC," it makes you an asshole.

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48% of the country thinks the president is mentally stable.  How typically do presidents get reelected with those numbers?

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It's hilarious how a person called "Reaganfan" wants America to completely close the borders for 10 years. You do realize Reagan and the GOP business communities love immigrants (especially skilled ones) because there isn't a big enough skilled laborforce in America, right? Also unskilled is very valuable too if we want to build our crippling and failing Infrastructure.

It's going to be very hard to hit 4% GDP growth in America (which will help pay for SS and Medicare -
 extremely popular programs that the GOP base loves) without more immigration.

Ronald Reagan would be a cuckservative in today's GOP.

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