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« on: June 15, 2012, 12:27:08 PM »

When I see "sending a message" I automatically think "moving us closer to war."  I will not support any legislation that heightens the possibility of war with Iran, and I am not sure how I will vote on this legislation.
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« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2012, 01:09:09 PM »

When I see "sending a message" I automatically think "moving us closer to war."  I will not support any legislation that heightens the possibility of war with Iran, and I am not sure how I will vote on this legislation.

Heightens the possibility of war? It will do the opposite. Through the ratification of this treaty, we will be saying to Israel, "We've got your back and support you." This show of support should provide some sort of sense of security to them, reassuring them and thus making them less likely to attack Iran.

But would Iran not see this as a way of preparing for war, and thus increase the chances that Iran would attack?
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« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2012, 04:55:10 PM »

When I see "sending a message" I automatically think "moving us closer to war."  I will not support any legislation that heightens the possibility of war with Iran, and I am not sure how I will vote on this legislation.

Heightens the possibility of war? It will do the opposite. Through the ratification of this treaty, we will be saying to Israel, "We've got your back and support you." This show of support should provide some sort of sense of security to them, reassuring them and thus making them less likely to attack Iran.

But would Iran not see this as a way of preparing for war, and thus increase the chances that Iran would attack?

Given that Iranian policymakers have considered Atlasia and Israel in a de facto alliance already, it would likely make little difference in their opinion.

Very well, then.
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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2012, 07:31:21 PM »

Nay.  I am still not sure how I will vote on this bill and I would like to see much more debate.
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2012, 03:30:45 PM »

We're getting off topic...
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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2012, 08:54:36 PM »
« Edited: June 26, 2012, 02:45:37 PM by Senator Scott »

Nay.
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2012, 12:00:27 AM »
« Edited: July 03, 2012, 12:02:31 AM by Senator Scott »

Actually, as far as I can tell, the Constitution does not give the Senate the power to ratify treaties.

Well, while Article I of the Constitution does not explicitly mention treaties on section 5, it does state that the Senate can-
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2012, 12:18:53 AM »

Actually, as far as I can tell, the Constitution does not give the Senate the power to ratify treaties.

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A treaty is pretty obviously not the same as an "activity" - an activity is a one-time thing while a treaty is a binding commitment to perform some activity for a set length of time.

'Activity' means "the condition in which things are happening or being done."  There are no time limits as to what would constitute as an "activity," last I checked, as they can be short term or long term; duration is irrelevant.
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2012, 12:34:09 AM »

Actually, as far as I can tell, the Constitution does not give the Senate the power to ratify treaties.

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A treaty is pretty obviously not the same as an "activity" - an activity is a one-time thing while a treaty is a binding commitment to perform some activity for a set length of time.

'Activity' means "the condition in which things are happening or being done."  There are no time limits as to what would constitute as an "activity," last I checked, as they can be short term or long term; duration is irrelevant.

A treaty is not an activity, it's a commitment to engage in activity.

...Which would be, in itself, an activity, as it fits under dictionary definition.
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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2012, 01:03:29 AM »
« Edited: July 03, 2012, 01:07:26 AM by Senator Scott »

Actually, as far as I can tell, the Constitution does not give the Senate the power to ratify treaties.

Well, while Article I of the Constitution does not explicitly mention treaties on section 5, it does state that the Senate can-
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A treaty is pretty obviously not the same as an "activity" - an activity is a one-time thing while a treaty is a binding commitment to perform some activity for a set length of time.

'Activity' means "the condition in which things are happening or being done."  There are no time limits as to what would constitute as an "activity," last I checked, as they can be short term or long term; duration is irrelevant.

A treaty is not an activity, it's a commitment to engage in activity.

...Which would be, in itself, an activity, as it fits under dictionary definition.

No, a treaty is a document.  A document is not an activity.

Yet engaging in one is.

Merely stating that you plan on partaking in a certain activity is an activity.  I fail to see what it would be otherwise.
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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2012, 12:52:03 AM »

So, does Polnut still get to sign/veto this? Tongue
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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2012, 11:19:24 AM »

Nay.
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