Elizabeth Warren 2020 Megathread v2 (pg 35 - Emily List support)

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So what was she supposed to do?  Not have a plan? Then people would be screeching about how she wants medicare for all doesnt have a plan to pay for it. Damned if you do damned if you dont

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So you guys are going to vote for that neoliberal clown against Warren because she accused Bernie of saying something that they, he probably actually said? God I hate this country!

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So you guys are going to vote for that neoliberal clown against Warren because she accused Bernie of saying something that they, he probably actually said? God I hate this country!

Tough sh**t. At least your friends and family aren't being treated like trash and denied disaster aid because this administration is downright vile and inhuman (e.g. Maria in 2017 and earthquakes in Puerto Rico right now).

Worse of all, they're stuck in second grade citizen status. At least you get to vote, and politicians (read: Republicans in this case) have to at least pretend like they care.

You say that you hate this country, and you haven't felt its heel down your throat quite just yet.

Work to make it better. Your current rhetoric isn't helping to that end.

Oh please! It was a cynical  flippant comment that wasn't even totally serious and you give me this pouty lecture about how other people are worse off than me? Give me a break, lighten up!  I actually DO care about this country and it really makes me angry that people are going to hamper the progressive movement away over something like this.

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Hotmic moment pretty much proves Warren was telling the the truth. She was indignant and Bernie was stammering and acting like he didn't know what time it was.

 Go Liz, Go.

Or he was hurt that his friend would smear him like this, but go off.

It’s always everyone else, never Bernie. Y’all never hold this 80 year old man accountable for anything ever.

I can't hold him accountable for telling his truth.  He's disputing a verifiable liar. 

I can hold Warren accountable for rejecting Bernie's handshake.  It's low class.  Being called a liar is not an excuse.  If that's the way she's going to conduct herself, she might as well go back to being Dr. Phil's Financial guru.   

Yall loved her not too long ago now she’s this pathological liar. Meanwhile Bernie has been lying to voters for five years that he could break up banks, eliminate student loan debt, and throw 140 million people off their insurance if he holds enough rallies in Louisville, Kentucky. A mess.

When a Democrat regurgitates Republican talking points, something is wrong.

Questioning how he is going to get things done is now “Republican”? It’s funny how not supporting the independent makes someone a fake Democrat.

There really isn't that much of a question thought as it largely depends on the composition of the next Congress (though tbf two of those thing can be done executively anyway).

Even if the next Congress was 100% Democrat, the Green New Deal and Medicare For All wouldn't get passed.

Heck, even if the Senate was 100% Bernie Sanders clones and the House was 100% AOC clones, it wouldn't happen.

Why?  Because it's not real policy.  It doesn't mathematically work.  If anyone were to every write an actual bill and not just a wish-list, the CBO assessments would be hilariously devastating.  The tax increases required to quadruple federal spending would absolutely tank the economy.  And the actual details of these policies are beyond the mental capacities of AOC and Sanders.  Just go read the Bernie Sanders NYDN interview.  He is not capable of getting in the weeds on any of this.  The only trick he has is some memorized statistics.

That's why I've always respected Warren infinitely more than Sanders.  Although I strongly disagree with her policies, I honestly believe that Warren is capable of getting into the details and crafting policies that actually work.  If the Senate was 100% Warren, she might go in there wanting M4A, but after long periods of research, end up crafting a plan that, while not the tremendously expensive we'll-pay-for-everything-no-matter-what plan they've been promising, is able to balance all the different tradeoffs and maintain a reasonable economic position while achieving her goals.

Sanders wouldn't know what to do if the Senate was 100% him because he's never actually had to write real, passable policy in his life and he doesn't know how.  All he knows how to do is write wish lists and mission statements and then criticize Democrats for not signing onto them.

What on earth?

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Even if the next Congress was 100% Democrat, the Green New Deal and Medicare For All wouldn't get passed.

Heck, even if the Senate was 100% Bernie Sanders clones and the House was 100% AOC clones, it wouldn't happen.

Why?  Because it's not real policy.  It doesn't mathematically work.  If anyone were to every write an actual bill and not just a wish-list, the CBO assessments would be hilariously devastating.  The tax increases required to quadruple federal spending would absolutely tank the economy.  And the actual details of these policies are beyond the mental capacities of AOC and Sanders.  Just go read the Bernie Sanders NYDN interview.  He is not capable of getting in the weeds on any of this.  The only trick he has is some memorized statistics.

That's why I've always respected Warren infinitely more than Sanders.  Although I strongly disagree with her policies, I honestly believe that Warren is capable of getting into the details and crafting policies that actually work.  If the Senate was 100% Warren, she might go in there wanting M4A, but after long periods of research, end up crafting a plan that, while not the tremendously expensive we'll-pay-for-everything-no-matter-what plan they've been promising, is able to balance all the different tradeoffs and maintain a reasonable economic position while achieving her goals.

Sanders wouldn't know what to do if the Senate was 100% him because he's never actually had to write real, passable policy in his life and he doesn't know how.  All he knows how to do is write wish lists and mission statements and then criticize Democrats for not signing onto them.

What on earth?

Who the hell is gonna write the legislation?  Is Bernie gonna write it himself?

Is it going to look like his Medicare For All bill that he introduced to Congress?  100 pages, 24 lines per page, and if you actually read it the bulk of it is just a long wish-list accompanied by him appointing a bunch of people and telling them to figure it out.  What a joke.  For reference, here's what Obamacare looked like.  That's the difference between legislation that actually does something and legislation that's barely more than a mission statement.

Here's the Medicare Part D legislation.  This is one part of the current Medicare program and it's lengthy, detailed, complicated.  Sanders wants to completely tear the system down and re-build it from scratch, and his proof of concept may as well be written in crayon.

Then the secretary of HHS could write it, no? Probably Abdul Sayed

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https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/fighting-digital-disinformation?source=soc-WB-ew-tw-rollout-20200129

Warren wants to punish disinformation.

I think this is just a stunt to win rich white suburban women

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I know I was for Warren for a while before I switched back to Bernie but it' wasn't until the past week or two that my opinion of her has gone south. Like why is she rubbing this whole "WOMEN CAN BE PRESIDENT" thing? It's so overdone