New Zealand Election 2017

[Lachi]

Wow, that's a landslide ...

It isn't a landslide, the government has only just about squeaked re-election. And they've done so in a way that, how shall we say, stores up trouble for next time round...

and even then, no one even knows if WINston will even want to form a coalition with the Nationals yet.
Winston literally is in total control of the future of the country, with his position of kingmaker.

[Lachi]

Every single ing kiwi who voted for the Nationals are ing sheep...

Why? As a right-winger I'm obviously bound to disagree with you but I thought the NZ Nats were much more palatable to the left than the Tories, Liberals or Republicans.

I mean they were sheep in the fact that they swallowed the nationals blatant lies hook, line, and sinker.

[Lachi]

Electoral commission saying that with special votes, turnout will be 78.8%

I call bullsh**t, considering how low it was last night.

[Lachi]

Remember that both parties don't have to be in a formal coalition with Labour for them to have a majority. One party could join up with Labour, with the other party being there for confidence and supply.

[Lachi]

If Winston goes with Labour, will it spur renewed anti-MMP sentiment and calls for reform on the political right in NZ?

It will from the peple who don't have half a brain on the right, that's for sure.

[Lachi]

Why don't people get that with MMP, there are no winners or losers until a government is formed.

[Lachi]

Special vote totals are being released in 25 minutes.

[Lachi]

WINston no longer has the, as newshub put in on election day, 'moral obligation' to join up with English, considering there is only a 2 seat difference between Nats, and Labour-Greens, and the party vote is within a point or so.

[Lachi]

We still have to wait till the 12th until we know who WINston will go with.


Please let it be Labour...

[Lachi]

WINston no longer has the, as newshub put in on election day, 'moral obligation' to join up with English, considering there is only a 2 seat difference between Nats, and Labour-Greens, and the party vote is within a point or so.

In what universe does one add the Labour and Green votes and seats, but, one does not add the National and ACT votes and seats?

There is a 10 seat difference Labour and Nationals. There is a 12 seat difference between National-ACT-NZF and Labour-Green. There is a six seat difference between Labour-Green-NZF and National-ACT. Does a 12-seat majority have a greater "moral" mandate than a 6-seat majority? Probably, it does under some moral theories [the significant plurality {10-seat} party ought to have the first shot at forming the government,] but, not under others [Aside from siding with hostile nationals directly at war with New Zealand, or soliciting graft or other illegal behavior, elected officials are free to take any decision they wish for any reason they choose, or for no reason at all.]

Personally, I have always subscribed to latter moral theory. If Peters hasn't promised the electorate to support either party, it is purely his call.

Of course, four members of NZF could break away from a Peter's decision to go with Labour, or six members could break away from a National agreement.

ACT will NEVER work with NZF, and vice versa. As UF, and Māori have disappeared, and NZF are king maker, they have become irrelevant in coalition building. To be fair, ACT is irrelevant legislatively as well.

[Lachi]

Winston doubts that a deal will be made by the end of the week.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97799911/winston-peters-last-day-of-coalition-meetings-begins

[Lachi]

WINston will NOT be making a decision this week.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11932794

[Lachi]

BREAKING:
Peters to annouce his decision tomorrow.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/10/live-updates-nz-first-nearing-a-decision.html

[Lachi]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98031249/winston-peters-decides-national-labour-may-learn-fate-at-same-time-as-the-public

The announcement is expected this afternoon, but we are not being told if it will be early or late afternoon.

[Lachi]

Meanwhile, the NZ Herald is reporting that Labour is Peters’ first choice.

Anyone would think a heap of horse-trading is going on as the self-imposed deadline approaches (or has past, depending on whether you believe 5pm has taken us from Peters’ promised afternoon announcement into evening).

The Herald reports that the Green party is holding a meeting of delegates this evening, taken to be a sign that the third party in a potential Labour/NZ First/Green coalition is gearing up for government.

The number of ministerial and cabinet posts is also believed to be an issue in the negotiations between Labour and NZ First, with reportedly fewer posts on the table in the Ardern offer than that proposed by English.

[Lachi]

James Shaw, NZ Greens leader:

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[Lachi]

The one good thing about them being split on the number of cabinet positions is that it looks like Winston probably hasn't been offered PM.

Winston did say that he never wanted the job anyway.

[Lachi]

The Guardian:
That suggestion earlier that the NZ First leader was waiting to crash the 6pm (4pm AEDT/6am BST) TV news bulletins is firming up, with several reports now that Peters is preparing his speech. To say what exactly we still don’t know.

[Lachi]

www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/10/livestream-winston-peters-makes-announcement.html

Livestream of the press conference.

[Lachi]

lol@that one press guy who said 'smile you miserable buggers'

[Lachi]

one of the press pool just asked if the afternoon still had 4 hours to go XD

[Lachi]

PFFFT HAHAHAHA!

https://twitter.com/jo_moir/status/920879803766489089

LOL

[Lachi]

Could one of the leaders issue an ultimatum, either announce his choice in the next 24 hours or the deal is off and that might force him to stop playing games although he did this in 1996.

wouldn't surprise me.

[Lachi]

Could one of the leaders issue an ultimatum, either announce his choice in the next 24 hours or the deal is off and that might force him to stop playing games although he did this in 1996.

That would take English and Shaw going into coalition talks.

(Which I'm secretly hoping will somehow happen)

It won't, Both English and Shaw hate each other. I don't get why you endorse a NAT-GRN Coalition when it was never going to happen in the first place.

[Lachi]

Lol did anyone else hear that Windows disconnect sound on the stream?

No, but I don't think the press pool know they've been fooled yet.