Sanders booed by house democrats

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My Bernie supporting friends on Facebook are using this as evidence that he's just so outside of the "system," man.

Can someone enlighten me as to how being a Senator who supports a $15 minimum wage puts one outside of the system, but being a former Senator who supports a $12 minimum wage makes one reek of the capitalist bourgeois illuminati lizard people?

That's funny. Bernie is part of the system...he works in it. He gets his paycheck from it. He may be trying to change certain aspects of it, but he nevertheless is part of it. He's been doing the Dem party a service by fighting for change, but there comes a time to stop "saying" that we need to defeat Trump and actually do something about it.

As to your second sentence....they are young and idealistic. And often times unrealistic.

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My Bernie supporting friends on Facebook are using this as evidence that he's just so outside of the "system," man.

Can someone enlighten me as to how being a Senator who supports a $15 minimum wage puts one outside of the system, but being a former Senator who supports a $12 minimum wage makes one reek of the capitalist bourgeois illuminati lizard people?

It might have something to do with responding to questions about why she accepted a ton of money to speak at Goldman with "That's what they offered."  I actually don't have much problem with Hillary giving those speeches, but it's exactly what you'd expect an opportunistic capitalist to say to the question.  It also begs the question of where does she draw the line.

I think that since Hillary has been on the political scene for a long time, since she is married to a man who was a two-term President, since she was in the Senate for almost 8 years, and since she was Sec of State, and since she has traveled the world as First Lady spreading good will, and since she has written several books, she is a highly sought after speaker. People want to hear what she has to say. To offer her large sums of money is fitting for someone of her experience and knowledge and social stature.

Calling someone like that an "opportunistic capitalist" is very short-sighted and small-minded in my view. It basically cuts off all that wealth of experience and knowledge that she brings to any table, and reduces it down to nothing but a one-dimensional dollar figure.

One of my friends keeps saying that you are worth what other people will pay for your services. Is that a bad thing?

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It's just that it makes her sound totally oblivious to the implications.  Yes, she has a wealth of experience that makes her sought after.  If someone wants to pay her a ton of money to give a speech, that's their issue.  If she wasn't planning to run for office again, that would be one thing, but it's been pretty obvious all along that she would.  Whenever economic issues come up during her presidency, she'll remember that she got that $675,000.  Maybe it won't effect her judgment in the slightest, but I would certainly feel better if she didn't do it.  It makes her sound like she can be bought.

I hear what you're saying and if I was young again I would probably feel the same way. But I've been around for almost as long as Hillary has, and I realize that Hillary cannot live her life according to how others think she should. That's no life at all. And considering how long she's been on the political scene, and how many people know about her and have watched her through the years and have commented on her life, she would never do anything for herself if she listened to everyone.

It's much easier to point fingers at Hillary and say she can be bought, or say she is corrupt, or say she's a liar than to get the facts. At this point, she has to live her life her way and if she can't please everyone, then "oh well...."

She can't win them all.

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These idiots just have to prove Sanders' point, don't they?  You couldn't assemble a more out of touch collection of buffoons unless you were looking at the GOP caucus.

It honestly makes me wonder whether the Democratic party is even worth trying to reform.  Are a group of people who have devoted their lives to politics seriously unable to see something in it other than winning elections?  That's madness.  Even the lunatics on the other side of the aisle will admit that they are trying to reshape the country to fit their perverse theological hellscape.  A bit of ambition never killed anybody.

Bernie is not a Democrat. Who set him up as the savior of that party? And why are his standards the ones that should be used? The guy has gall.