Sanders Campaign staying in til DC

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http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/04/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-convention/index.html

Bernie is going after Hillary's superdelegates. Won't quit until the fat lady sings apparently.

He says that you can't lump superdelegates in with pledged deletates because pledged delegates are "real".

They do not believe they are taking away anything from the Hillary campaign to stay in that long. They do not believe they will be handing the victory to Trump.

And so it goes. Bernie is beyond belief.

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Listen to the video from the link I linked to. That lady is annoying, but unequivocal. They are going to contest the nomination. They will squeeze every last drop of blood they can from Hillary's superdelegates. They are not taking "no" for an answer.

Wow!

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He says that you can't lump superdelegates in with pledged deletates because pledged delegates are "real".

It's true, though. HRC won't have the requisite number of pledged delegates after the District of Columbia votes on the 14th. Superdelegates don't vote until the convention.

May be true but look at the math. Hillary has 544 superdelegates to Bernie's 46. I wonder if there is a reason why that is? Why Bernie has so few....

Hillary is also ahead of Bernie in pledged delegates by 268. That's quite an uphill climb Bernie's going to trudge. Gonna need some expensive hiking boots I'd say.

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This thread isn't going to end well.

Neither is Bernie's campaign.

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Anybody want to tell me why Bernie's campaign is doing this? I've not been following politics that long in any depth, but it doesn't make any sense to me how deeply someone so far behind on all levels can delude themselves into believing they have a shot at the nomination at this point.

And at the same time believe they are not hurting Hillary's chances with beating Trump.

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Second off, there is, again, no proof that Sanders will stay in until the convention, as this is an unsubstantiated rumor.

Bernie just said it, right here, in the video:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/04/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-convention/index.html

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Speaking personally, what really bothers me about Bernie is that he is not well-rounded. He is getting the white vote, basically, and most of them are the young white vote.

He doesn't appeal to the diversity of our country. He is not representative of what this country is all about.

Because of that, what makes him think he's the best man for the job? He's not.

Plus I am tired of listening to him and dealing with his dreaming. It's really frustrating and I don't want to be frustrated, I want to put my energy behind Hillary and go forward from there.

Bernie has become an embarrassment.

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I read that there have been 5 Bernie supporter groups who have filed petitions that have been granted to have protest rallies right near the DNC .

Bernie supporters were the only ones who have filed. So what is going to happen there?

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He says that you can't lump superdelegates in with pledged deletates because pledged delegates are "real".

It's true, though. HRC won't have the requisite number of pledged delegates after the District of Columbia votes on the 14th. Superdelegates don't vote until the convention.

No delegates vote until the convention.

This is like refusing to concede a general election because "the electoral college doesn't vote until December!"

If one suspected there was a good chance one's opponent would be the subject of a devastating indictment prior to the Electoral College vote, there would be good reason to decline to concede...

But Bernie doesn't think there is much to the email situation.

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Once again, I'm shocked, shocked to find hardball politics going on in this Presidential race!

If you're not gonna take his message seriously, he's not gonna shut up.

If you don't change the party, he's not gonna shut up.

Because guess what? He wants his message taken seriously, and he wants the party to change.

Now are y'all establishment folks gonna do what's necessary for party unity, or are you going to throw the election to Trump?

I think they are taking the message as seriously as they can.

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Once again, I'm shocked, shocked to find hardball politics going on in this Presidential race!

If you're not gonna take his message seriously, he's not gonna shut up.

If you don't change the party, he's not gonna shut up.

Because guess what? He wants his message taken seriously, and he wants the party to change.

Now are y'all establishment folks gonna do what's necessary for party unity, or are you going to throw the election to Trump?

I think they are taking the message as seriously as they can.

Which is why we're getting "Oh that awful, nasty Bernie Sanders?" Which is why we're getting Hickenlooper on national TV defending Superdels? Which is why we have the President giving national interviews saying he 'has the back' of someone that defends payday lenders?

Either crush him or concede (which, given he has around 45% of the party with him, I'd advise). But don't run around handwringing blaming the situation on him.

Hillary has beat him in the popular vote, the delegate vote, and the superdelegate vote. How does Bernie have a leg to stand on?

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When do losers in a race get to overrun the party?

What does 'taking his message seriously' and changing the party' mean? In concrete terms?

He doesn't have the right to demand the party change or adhere to his message. He has the right to be part of the conversation to advocate for it. Which is a lot more positive in the long-run.

What's the difference?

One of those is a bully.

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Once again, I'm shocked, shocked to find hardball politics going on in this Presidential race!

If you're not gonna take his message seriously, he's not gonna shut up.

If you don't change the party, he's not gonna shut up.

Because guess what? He wants his message taken seriously, and he wants the party to change.

Now are y'all establishment folks gonna do what's necessary for party unity, or are you going to throw the election to Trump?

I think they are taking the message as seriously as they can.

Which is why we're getting "Oh that awful, nasty Bernie Sanders?" Which is why we're getting Hickenlooper on national TV defending Superdels? Which is why we have the President giving national interviews saying he 'has the back' of someone that defends payday lenders?

Either crush him or concede (which, given he has around 45% of the party with him, I'd advise). But don't run around handwringing blaming the situation on him.

Hillary has beat him in the popular vote, the delegate vote, and the superdelegate vote. How does Bernie have a leg to stand on?

He doesn't have a leg to stand on that the should be the nominee, barring some unforeseen act of God, but he does have a gigantic leg to stand on vis a vis his policy positions being incorporated and considered very seriously by her campaign as she goes into the GE and beyond

See, the problem with Bernie is that he wants changes to the system, yesterday. And it ain't gonna happen that way. He already has pounded his message into the ground....we get it already. But it's not up to only him how the cookie crumbles and he needs to get that.

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She did demand Secretary of State and having her campaign debts bailed out. They didn't have much to disagree on policy wise, so *shruggie *.

Divided on my affections for the President other than the obvious respect he's due ex officio (Ex: I actually liked Clinton on guns better in '08) but substituting 'opposite side'  yeah it would suck.

But it sucks because it's necessity. That's politics, that's life.

Sorry no, Hillary did not demand to be made Sec of State. In fact, Obama asked her and she declined. She had to be talked into it. And as for the campaign debts, she did nothing of the sort.

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See, the problem with Bernie is that he wants changes to the system, yesterday. And it ain't gonna happen that way. He already has pounded his message into the ground....we get it already. But it's not up to only him how the cookie crumbles and he needs to get that.

He has an activist streak in him (quite literally actually). From my experience, a lot (not nearly all, though!) have a tendency to demand immediate change and are resistant to compromise. Some think if they push hard enough, they'll get what they want. It would be nice if that were true, but it isn't. Not in realistic terms.

Bernie is pushing legitimate issues, and changes to the party/primaries themselves. The problem I think is that he thinks he has to go to convention for some reason. I don't even know why. The party platform really isn't worth all this, and primary rules have to be changed by the state legislature, no? So why is he doing this? Why can't he just go around the country giving speeches? What good does it do for his cause to disrupt the Democratic convention? If anything, it hurts it, not helps.

I'd love to hear Bernie explain exactly what he thinks this will accomplish. Does he even know? Sometimes I think he's just gotten caught up in the success he has had and really has no idea what he is doing anymore.

Nice insight and good questions.

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I thought this article was interesting.

Clinton plans unity push after Tuesday's contests

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This is a true leader, in my view. Good for Hillary.

Bernie, it's time to get on board the winning train and help it to victory.

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Sanders, on the other hand, decided that the last 48 hours of his campaign was a good time to validate Republican conspiracy theories about the Clinton foundation.  Maybe he should spend those last donations buying a copy of Clinton Cash for everyone on his mailing list?

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/282261-sanders-clinton-foundation-engaged-in-conflicts-of

Something else that gets me about Bernie is that he spouts all his stuff, gets his crowd all riled up with his speeches, but he takes no responsibility for what he produces. He says his followers are on their own, and it's up to Hillary to bring them over to her fold. He's not going to do it, she has to do it.

Something else, when he was making that speech and the black protesters came up on stage and took over....Bernie just let them. The guy talks harsh words but doesn't seem to have much of a backbone for telling people to calm down and get in line. He's not very Presidential at all IMO.

I'm sure if Bernie was in the spotlight for as long as Hillary has been, and had been scrutinized to as tiny a detail as Hillary has been, people who think he's so great probably wouldn't be thinking that by now.

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Sanders, on the other hand, decided that the last 48 hours of his campaign was a good time to validate Republican conspiracy theories about the Clinton foundation.  Maybe he should spend those last donations buying a copy of Clinton Cash for everyone on his mailing list?

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/282261-sanders-clinton-foundation-engaged-in-conflicts-of

Something else that gets me about Bernie is that he spouts all his stuff, gets his crowd all riled up with his speeches, but he takes no responsibility for what he produces. He says his followers are on their own, and it's up to Hillary to bring them over to her fold. He's not going to do it, she has to do it.

Something else, when he was making that speech and the black protesters came up on stage and took over....Bernie just let them. The guy talks harsh words but doesn't seem to have much of a backbone for telling people to calm down and get in line. He's not very Presidential at all IMO.

I'm sure if Bernie was in the spotlight for as long as Hillary has been, and had been scrutinized to as tiny a detail as Hillary has been, people who think he's so great probably wouldn't be thinking that by now.

He can't do it, because he has an ideological coalition. 

Clinton was able to close the distance in '08 because people voted for Clinton, not the Prog side in the Dem primary, or for the One Honest Man.

Bernie can't turn around all of a sudden and say "Oh gosh turns out there are TWO honest people in politics and the second one's last name is Clinton!" (lol.)

So yeah, Clinton needs to bring us in.

As for state dept conflicts of interest being a conspiracy theory... OK. 

So she said on Wednesday she's going to start the process of uniting the Dem Party, and she expects Bernie to do the same. Let's see what she does, and what he does.

You can't expect Bernie not to say anything to help unite the party. He said he's going to do everything to stop Trump from winning. He can't do that if he doesn't back Hillary.