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A18
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« on: October 31, 2005, 08:31:28 PM »
Why is another need? With 50 votes, Cheney can break the tie.
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A18
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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2005, 08:32:17 PM »
The nuclear option.
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A18
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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2005, 08:38:19 PM »
A rule that conflicts with the Constitution is void.
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A18
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2005, 08:45:31 PM »
If a rule required a four-fifths majority to amend the Constitution, would that be legal?

Anyway, the point is that jfern's quotation of the rules is irrelevant, because the other side's argument is that the rule is unconstitutional as it applies to this circumstance.
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A18
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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2005, 08:53:04 PM »
A limit on if you can vote is a limit on if you can amend the Constitution.

Originally, the majority could limit debate. The filibuster was created by mistake in the early 1800s when the Senate cleaned up its rulebook and accidentally disposed of a rule allowing the majority to bring cloture.

Even then, it took them a while to figure it out. Filibusters did not begin in earnest until the Democratic and Whig parties formed decades later.
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A18
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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2005, 09:29:47 PM »
As I said, the filibuster was created by mistake in the early 1800s when the Senate cleaned up its rulebook and accidentally disposed of a rule allowing the majority to bring cloture. Even then, it took them a while to figure it out. Filibusters did not begin in earnest until the Democratic and Whig parties formed decades later.

I'd love to see absolutely nothing get done for years and years (neither party is going to get 60 votes any time soon). But the filibuster is illegal in all of its forms, not just with regard to judges, and should be eradicated entirely.
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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2005, 09:41:15 PM »
Yes, but how I would act is irrelevant.
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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2005, 10:04:48 PM »
Their position is that the rule is unconstitutional.
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