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Question: (read post first)Back in the day, should slave owners have paid reparations to their former slaves/are retroactive laws justified
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Author Topic: Slave owners, reparations, and retroactive laws  (Read 5431 times)
A18
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« on: August 03, 2005, 09:27:54 PM »
Quote from: J. J. on August 03, 2005, 05:55:08 PM
Quote from: SE Magistrate John Dibble on August 03, 2005, 02:15:03 PM
Quote from: J. J. on August 03, 2005, 02:08:22 PM
No, but those in rebellion should have been heavily fined.  Guess what the money would have been used for.  :-)

Filling the pockets of corrupt beauracrats and politicians? Wink

They would have been REPUBLICAN politicians

Grant, Harding, and Nixon weren't corrupt at all.
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A18
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« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2005, 03:34:54 PM »
Slavery is justified in certain circumstances
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A18
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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2005, 03:46:11 PM »
Tribal warfare and such. In those situations, it would be justified to kill the other side, so enslaving them would seem more merciful.
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A18
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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2005, 04:22:14 PM »
How is it unjustified to keep them as slaves? That's what tribes did to each other.
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A18
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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2005, 04:49:57 PM »
Ah, but I stated that it would be justified to kill the other tribe. Now, we can debate that, but if we accept the premise, then you can see why I don't think slavery is always justified.

But you bring up an interesting example yourself. Let's say person A boils person B's wife in oil. Is person B not justified in killing person A, boiling him in oil, and/or enslaving him?
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A18
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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2005, 06:24:38 PM »
Quote from: SE Magistrate John Dibble on August 04, 2005, 06:20:30 PM
Quote from: A18 on August 04, 2005, 04:22:14 PM
How is it unjustified to keep them as slaves? That's what tribes did to each other.

Just because that's what tribes did to eachother doesn't mean those tribes were justified.

Um, if someone tries to wipe out your civilization and enslave you, they deserve what they get.
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A18
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2005, 06:43:25 PM »
'Should' is just subjective. It is arbitrary to say that locking someone in a cell is okay, but not making them do work.
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A18
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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2005, 06:58:20 PM »
Okay, but what you believe is nonsense.
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A18
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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2005, 07:01:34 PM »
Unless you're trying to make up a new form of the word face, you need to learn to spell.
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A18
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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2005, 07:17:01 AM »
I'm not an atheist.
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A18
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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2005, 09:51:22 AM »
Conservatism is classical liberalism.

I dispute that I am 'immoral,' but you're pretty dumb, so I'll let it go.
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A18
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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2005, 05:31:09 PM »
Whenever I hear anyone arguing for capital punishment, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally. Whenever I hear anyone arguing for any kind of punishment, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally.

I know you're an idiot, but you really should grow up and quit trying to make points via logical fallacies.

I don't have a "might makes right" ideology. If you didn't have some sort of reading disorder, you would have noted I believe slavery to be just only as punishment for crime.
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A18
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« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2005, 01:11:43 PM »
Conservatism is about negative rights. Liberalism is about positive rights. Classical liberalism is about the former.
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A18
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« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2005, 02:00:36 PM »
« Edited: August 08, 2005, 02:02:54 PM by A18 »
That's the sole uniting element of each, so yes, it does.
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