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A18
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« on: April 22, 2005, 10:45:02 PM »

They're all socialist. Difference between it an communism is very much subjective.
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A18
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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2005, 06:30:18 PM »

Socialism does NOT = State Ownership/Control

That's the EXACT definition. The fact that you don't like it doesn't change the meaning of the word.
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A18
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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2005, 06:44:36 PM »

You are correct in implying that these countries are not communist, but they are certainly socialist. Of course, I think Democrats are socialists.
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A18
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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2005, 07:02:39 PM »

No, substantial wealth redistribution is the best definition.
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A18
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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2005, 07:27:20 PM »

That's cool. 3 US Congressmen are members of a socialist group Tongue

The real number is 203.
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A18
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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2005, 07:35:32 PM »

I meant that they were part of a socialist organization, not that they, themselves, were socialists.

By the way, that bill wasn't really anti-socialism. I mean, one can favor wealth redistribution and still recognize fraud as fraud.
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2005, 07:45:25 PM »

How is the Democratic Party a socialist political party explain.

Well, they support substantial wealth redistribution.

Now, I know you might counter and point to Republican 'support' for programs such as Medicare and Medicaid. Now, people assume we support these programs, and we talk we do, but really, we would like to eradicate them. It's part of the long term agenda, I'd say.

And yes, we have tolerated terrible non-flat tax rates for too long, but I think we can fix that in the next four years or so.

Meanwhile, inflation will effectively do away with the federal minimum wage.

As spending is cut, corporate taxes should be abolished, leading to lower prices. All taxes other than the income tax should then be repealed.
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A18
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2005, 08:14:55 PM »

"Now, I know you might counter and point to Republican 'support' for programs such as Medicare and Medicaid. Now, people assume we support these programs, and we talk we do, but really, we would like to eradicate them. It's part of the long term agenda, I'd say."
What your effectively saying is the government will no longer fund your medical bills but that corparations going to do that.  If that takes place it will be in a disaster people would not be able to get medical treatment because it would cost to much.

I don't personally believe in medical care, anyway, but this is false. Health costs have skyrocketed since we started shoving the government where it doesn't belong - in business.

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I see you don't understand what a flat tax is. First of all, a generous amount of money would be exempt. Second, it's a flat percentage, not a flat dollar amount, so Bill Gates still pays far more in taxes.

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Only those making minimum wage will get paid less, which is only about 3% of the population. Benefits the other 97%. And I would point out that those 3% don't stay at minimum wage for long, and that not all of them would be paid less - just the market value of their work.

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By cutting spending roughly in half. Of course, even if we did raise the income tax, it wouldn't matter, because products would be cheaper.

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None of this refutes my point that Democrats are socialists. You are simply arguing that socialism is a good thing. There we disagree, but it's a fair disagreement, and I respect your opinion. I am only calling the philosophy of the Democrats by its proper name: socialism. Not necessarily a bad thing, just depends how you want to look at it.
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A18
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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2005, 08:43:50 PM »

I support cutting all non-defense spending only.

Income tax would go up in proportion to the reduced prices. That's if we kept spending the same. I'm saying drastically cut it. Half sounds like a good start. Probably much more eventually.

I don't know much about New Labor, but the Democrats aren't progressive at all - at least, not by my subjective definition. I guess anyone's take on 'progress' is just what he wants to happen, right?

Substantial wealth redistribution is the most fitting definition of socialism. Certainly it has described these United States for far too long.
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A18
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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2005, 08:54:39 PM »

I have thought of a better definition: the idea that the government should provide for the general welfare of its citizens. Would you agree with that?
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