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A18
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« on: April 06, 2005, 11:42:17 AM »

That stat was idiotic, the only reason they both wered rated so high is because they missed so many votes. People kept saying "Kerry is more liberal than Ted Kennedy!" and yet no one was able to show me a single vote where Kerry voted to the left of Kennedy. And I challenge someone to do so now.

No Child Left Behind. Slashing intelligent funding. Probably Gulf War I.
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A18
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E: 9.23, S: -6.35

« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2005, 11:43:07 AM »

in the list of most liberal senators, anyone know where the following were..SINCE FOX LOVED THE STAT.

PRESIDENTIAL HOPEFULS
Russ Feingold (wi)
Joseph Biden (de)
Hillary Clinton (ny)
Evan Bayh (in)

These are all moderates compared to Kerry. The only one that comes close is Evan Bayh.
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A18
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2005, 11:57:26 AM »

Still trying to figure out what's bad about being liberal.

Nothing, as long as you hate everything this country was founded on, want judges to just make sh**t up since our country's traditions and culture are outdated, believe in consolidating all relevant law-making power of any kind in the federal government, and strongly favor legalized theft.

So, in your case, nothing.
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A18
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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2005, 12:03:40 PM »

So Evan Bayh is more liberal than Feingold and Hillary now? Roll Eyes

Damn that liberal stronghold Indiana...

We are talking about Indiana's senator, not Indiana's people.

Feingold favors suppressing free speech to protect incumbents, but so does McCain, and I don't see you calling him a left-wing extremist.

Bayh voted against the Unborn Victims of Violence Act. Hillary has actually been somewhat pro-defense and rational, even if she is a quasi-socialist when it comes to health care.
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A18
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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2005, 12:31:44 PM »

Example: Bill of Rights applying to the states. One hundred years passed before Supreme Court justices decided to change the meaning of the 14th amendment's due process clause (already well over 40 years old at the time) so that it somehow magically applied the federal Bill of Rights to the states. That insanity has lead to the mass consolidation of power in the federal judiciary.

As for other examples of the mass consolidation of power, how about the Departments of Transportation, Agriculture, and Education? They use grants to force states to comply with federal standards in their every operation.

Judges making sh**t up, as mentioned earlier, is also seen in Roe v. Wade, Lawrence v. Texas, McConnell v. FEC, and most recently, Roper v. Simmons.

Judges making sh**t up is also clearly seen in recent applications of state constitutions' equal protection clauses to require same sex marriage.

They also insist that Congress is authorized constitutionally to spend money on whatever it wants, a blatant lie exposed time and time again in the Federalist Papers.

They also support minimum wage, a progressive income tax, and other horrendous market regulations completely at odds with classical economics.
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A18
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E: 9.23, S: -6.35

« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2005, 01:19:36 PM »

What did I just say? As long as you hate everything this country was founded on, want judges to just make sh**t up since our country's traditions and culture are outdated, believe in consolidating all relevant law-making power of any kind in the federal government, and strongly favor legalized theft, then there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.

That means you.

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The mass consolidation of power is not freedom, opedophile.
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A18
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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2005, 01:21:24 PM »

If you wanted to get rid of the minimum wage, progressive income tax, and certain market regulations

They are unconstitutional at the federal level, except for the progressive income tax.

The Roaring 20s was such a rough time for America...

I oppose all of them, but the liberal states can do what they want.
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A18
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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2005, 05:39:53 PM »

Which of those voted against Gulf War I?
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A18
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« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2005, 10:32:09 AM »

Washington was a -3, Jefferson was a -5, And Paine was off the charts.

Society evolves.   The old joke is how a conservative is someone who respects liberals centuries after they're dead.   Our founding fathers weren't just liberals for their time - they were quite literally revolutionaries.  I have little doubt that if many of you had lived in the colonial era, you would have been blasting all these 'traitors to the crown', who dared to defy the divine right of kings.  Many of you would likely have loathed Washington, and wanted nothing more than to see his head on a pike.

So, next time you post about how much you hate liberals, try to remember that what you really hate is the ideals of free speech and individual rights  our founding fathers held so dearly.

Ha, very amusing.

Go look up classical liberalism. You might learn something.

Of course, you did not respond to anything I posted, but rather decided to pretend words have the exact same meaning for all generations. I guess you think Thomas Jefferson was a reactionary centralizationist who would have opposed personal Social Security accounts and supported judges changing the Constitution to fit their own political agendas.

I'm sorry, you are quite wrong.
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