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Shameless Lefty Hack
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« on: June 02, 2016, 09:30:34 PM »

So I'm basically in alignment with the pro Bernie argument here, but I'll point out one fresh thing.

It matters that Sanders is running against Sec. Clinton

The Clinton political universe (Pres. Clinton, Sec. Clinton, the army of advisers etc) embodies pretty much all of what progs, independents, labor folks, and general anti-establishment types hate about the Democratic Party as it stands today.

Who took the party rightward? Why, that would be Bill and the Democratic Leadership Council.

Who signed NAFTA? Bill. Who voted for PNTR, and helped craft the TPP? Secretary Clinton.

(btw, TPP is a basically unforgivable sin on the part of the Obama administration. And not a single Republican forced them to do it)

Who are extremely affluent limousine liberals that prevent the party from relating to normal Americans? Mmmm, I think the Chappaqua mansion and yearly appearances at the Davos Economic Forum wouldn't distance anyone from the plebs.  

Who takes corporate money? Man, I could run a flush national campaign off of the money that large institutions have given the Clintons * personally * (see affluent above).

Who is loved by Dems but hated by the rest of the country? (lolllll)

Who has a poisonous, insider culture? Have we talked about the massive universe of staffers that live on Planet Clinton and nowhere else? I have it from a pretty good source that the story about Bill Clinton buying the inner circle the same model of a very expensive watch is 100% true.

Plus, to the above, you have DWS reminding everybody every minute of every day that the Clintons have connections.  

I for one think that this race would be so much different if, say, Biden were the Establishment pick (net worth, 500k). Or someone who had voted against NAFTA. Or anyone who didn't check every single box that would piss anti-establishment folks off.


Re: Bernie being selfish. I have literally been saying it since NV that he's in it to change the party platform and next nominating process, not in some delusion that he can be nominated.
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Shameless Lefty Hack
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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2016, 09:31:20 PM »


Thanks for sharing what you figure to be your observations about Hillary Clinton's primaries voters having any sort of understanding why people aren't into Hillary but are strongly supportive of Bernie Sanders.

Perhaps you will also observe that when a candidate takes hundreds of thousands in money from Wall Street and financial institutions, they expect something in return which works to their advantage (and not to yours).

Did you watch the debate between Bernie and Hillary when he was asked to name just ONE instance where Hillary compromised her vote or her action because of Wall Street or big money's influence on her.

He couldn't come up with one instance at all.

So you see, you seem to be reading something into a situation that just isn't there.

Bernie is a weak-ass debater.  He should have known that he had to prepare better for HRC.

yep.
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