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Shameless Lefty Hack
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« on: May 30, 2016, 04:27:53 AM »

Gosh, next he'll be asking to be Secretary of State!

Or wait, he actually wants to change the party instead of securing a personal appointment.

Yeah, this guy's so damned selfish.


(also, not many losing campaigns go in with 45% of pledged delegates)
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Shameless Lefty Hack
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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2016, 05:36:14 AM »

Gosh, next he'll be asking to be Secretary of State!

Or wait, he actually wants to change the party instead of securing a personal appointment.

Yeah, this guy's so damned selfish.


(also, not many losing campaigns go in with 45% of pledged delegates)

Oh, I see.

Actually though. Clinton and Obama didn't have ideological differences, so Clinton could be brought into the tent with a springboard for 2016.

Sanders is asking for the party to be changed because, believe it or not, he wants to change the party.



Barney Frank responds to Sanders asking his removal.
And as expected it's a beauty.

Meh, typical neoliberal Dem equating diversity with equality. Who of those people Frank lists weren't wealthy? Who hadn't gone to elite colleges? Frankly, someone who lives in a rural area of the country like VT *is * diversity in the Democratic party these days.
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Shameless Lefty Hack
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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2016, 05:50:59 AM »

And make it more like Cornell West and Susan Sarandon?
Thanks, but no thanks.

Pretty much anything's better than the boring, bought and paid for blur that the party's become under the Third Way.
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Shameless Lefty Hack
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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2016, 05:57:00 AM »

>Implying Clinton isn't as hawkish as Bush.
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Shameless Lefty Hack
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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2016, 06:04:02 AM »

>Implying Clinton isn't as hawkish as Bush.

Are you really that daft?
BTW, Clinton isn't running against W. She is running against a guy who can't be trusted with a toy gun, let alone with the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world..

I'm daft enough to see an advocated intervention in Libya, a vote for Iraq, and two really irresponsible positions on Syria and Ukraine and do the math.


BTW your entire 'argument' assumes that I won't vote for Clinton in the general. My point is that Bernie's right to push the Democratic party for everything he can get, because establishment dems are generally trash right now, not that I won't vote against Trump.
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2016, 06:11:44 AM »

I'm not a wide-eyed teenage boy who thinks that socialism is cool.

Ahahahahahahahahahaha.

Okay buddy, calm down, it's okay.
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Shameless Lefty Hack
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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2016, 06:16:10 AM »
« Edited: May 30, 2016, 06:19:52 AM by Chickenhawk »

Since we're now just relitigating the Dem primary, because why the heck not (isn't it MY side who wants to do that?!)

1) Sanders voted for something very different in Libya than what Clinton pushed for and what happened.

2) Given that President Obama very soundly DIDN'T take Clinton's advice on Syria, and never asked Congress for anything so stupid as a no-fly zone while the second largest nuclear arsenal was running air operations in the country, Sanders couldn't have supported Clinton's position.

So yeah. Clinton's foreign policy is pretty nuts, even though it's dressed in all its Brookings finery to make it seem Sane and Erudite. Am I in love with my guy's foreign policy? No. Do I like that he calls himself a socialist? No. Am I in love with the 'free stuff'? No, though I think there are ways to justify it. He's just a damned sight better than the alternative.




I'm getting the impression that a Steelworker kicked LL's dog when LL was very young.
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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2016, 01:50:35 PM »

Snark and smugness can't hide the fact that you regurgitate standard far-left talking points.

No but this should have addressed your concerns more substantively:

Am I in love with my guy's foreign policy? No. Do I like that he calls himself a socialist? No. Am I in love with the 'free stuff'? No, though I think there are ways to justify it. He's just a damned sight better than the alternative. 

That is, ya know, why I wrote it.
I like Bernie because he's an economic populist, which the Dems haven't been in 20 years. I like Bernie because he's right on trade, which Clinton isn't. I like Bernie because he actually contests the white working class, and doesn't take their votes for granted as lost.

On foreign policy I'm a realist, which is why Clinton's liberal hawkishness (willy nilly humanitarian intervention that causes more problems than it solves) worries me. Bernie's less of an interventionist, which is Good Enough For Me.

I'm not a 'democratic socialist.' Far from it. So that's why I laugh at you thinking I'm a 15 yo trotskyist or something.
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