Opinion of North Carolina Conservative

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I was not aware of the "get a real job" comments and the pattern that he does seem to display here. I am reluctantly switching my vote to HP.

Can you explain why you consider this opinion to be bad enough to warrant HP status but not “someone deserves to be fired for being trans”?

It seems you haven't read my posts explaining my views on this, or if you have, you simply don't understand it. If that's the case, nothing else I can say can help you very much. Not sure why it's hard to understand that someone with an anti-anti-poor worldview might be moved more by this kind of snobbery...I mention Latin America because I hold the LatAm right in uniquely strong contempt (Jeanine Anez, ew), and this is where he and I disagree probably the most strongly.

It would be nice if you saw hatred of trans people in the same light as hatred of poor people.

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I broadly dislike hatred. But hatred of the poor and hatred of trans people is really apples and oranges, and I am not saying this to claim one is OK and another is not, I'm saying this because the fashions and conventional wisdom seem to change on what reality is on gender issues quite a fair bit over time, and it feels pretty unsettled. There is a lot less that is actually clear about the latter rather than the former. The definition of the phobia is too much of a moving target for me to consider it to be in the same category.

Meanwhile, hatred of the poor is distinctly different. There's always been poor people and in no complex society has there not been some kind of hierarchy in terms of wealth and class. I can't in good faith place the two on the same pedestal. And in terms of how much harm they do society (also important), comparatively, there is no comparison. Class envy and rivalry helped fuel most of the worst crimes of the twentieth century (particularly when combined with ethnic bigotry). The evils wrought by the worst of GOP policies today on gender are awful, no doubt, but it looks like nothing in sheer scale compared to the worst of what we saw in the 20th century.

I can't think of these two bigoted animuses in the same light because they are, in fact, not the same.

Trans people deserving dignity and the right to not face discrimination is pretty unambiguously clear. Dick measuring about the level of suffering caused by hatred of us in history as if that determines how unacceptable blatant hatred of us is ridiculous.

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I broadly dislike hatred. But hatred of the poor and hatred of trans people is really apples and oranges, and I am not saying this to claim one is OK and another is not, I'm saying this because the fashions and conventional wisdom seem to change on what reality is on gender issues quite a fair bit over time, and it feels pretty unsettled. There is a lot less that is actually clear about the latter rather than the former. The definition of the phobia is too much of a moving target for me to consider it to be in the same category.

Meanwhile, hatred of the poor is distinctly different. There's always been poor people and in no complex society has there not been some kind of hierarchy in terms of wealth and class. I can't in good faith place the two on the same pedestal. And in terms of how much harm they do society (also important), comparatively, there is no comparison. Class envy and rivalry helped fuel most of the worst crimes of the twentieth century (particularly when combined with ethnic bigotry). The evils wrought by the worst of GOP policies today on gender are awful, no doubt, but it looks like nothing in sheer scale compared to the worst of what we saw in the 20th century.

I can't think of these two bigoted animuses in the same light because they are, in fact, not the same.

Trans people deserving dignity and the right to not face discrimination is pretty unambiguously clear. Dick measuring about the level of suffering caused by hatred of us in history as if that determines how unacceptable blatant hatred of us is ridiculous.

Again, I will note that I did not say either hatred was good as enacted policy and pretty clearly said both of them suck. And I'm not going to and not trying to convince you not to be angry, that is a waste of time. But if you can't notice that activist demands themselves seem to be pretty inconsistent and hard to keep up with and the space is rife with immense division that makes it impossible to speak of them as one political community, then there is no point in taking this further. For the time being...goodbye, have a nice day.

The supposed "inconsistency" of "activist demands" on trans issues has nothing to do with whether naked bigotry against trans people makes you a bad person. Don't patronize me when you don't understand this.