Florida's "don't say gay" bill passes state house

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

It's honestly annoying seeing you lefties pretend you have the moral high ground and everyone against you is crazy, insane, phobic, racist, or w.e. your college humanities course lectured you on for 2 grand that semester. Like seriously, who gave you guys this kind of superiority complex? White privilege?

Having the moral high ground over people who don't want queer kids to have access to an accepting, supportive place to learn about who they are which many of them would not have otherwise because they put their own discomfort with queer people first.

My life would have been a lot better if I'd learned about trans people and gender dysphoria in kindergarten or even earlier. I'd probably have realized who I really was then and there.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

good

How is this good? In what non-homophobic context?

We shouldn't be teaching sexuality in K-12. Not useful and it's just virtue signaling. Parents care about their kids being productive citizens, learning to read and write, have some skills in order to function as an adult, and simply being kids. This bill doesn't help with any of that.

Also its laughable to suggest that understanding queerness isn't useful. We exist, and deserve to be respected the same as our non-queer peers.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

You can have an accepting and supportive place outside school lmao. School isn't some safehaven for kids

Not everyone has a place like that outside of school. Giving kids a safe space to understand queerness can only do good things

Stop virtue signaling by misrepresenting my opinion.

You literally said it "wasn't useful".

We shouldn't be teaching sexuality in K-12. Not useful and it's just virtue signaling. Parents care about their kids being productive citizens, learning to read and write, have some skills in order to function as an adult, and simply being kids. This bill doesn't help with any of that.

And it doesn't reflect well on you that you're incapable of seeing someone wanting to make sure queer kids get a safe place to learn about queerness they might not have otherwise as anything but virtue signalling.

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1st grades learning about gay equality isn't age appropriate

Why is it not age appropriate?

Why specifically is it not age appropriate to mention that it used to be not allowed for two men or two women to get married, but now it is?

Most of these kids in school have parents who are married, they know what marriage is.

These are issues for PARENTS to convey to kids, not teachers.

Whether that is right or wrong is the role of the PARENT to teach.  Not the school.  And not some teacher with a political agenda.  (The pandemic has certainly brought out in the open the naked political agendas that many, many public school teachers seek to advance through "teaching" OUR children (not THEIR children, but OURS).  

Our youngest son is 16 years old.  He's grown up in a Christian environment, where he's not been in a Public school since 5th grade.  He has secular activities where kids have LGBTQ parents who are openly LGBTQ.  We have taught him what the Bible says on homosexuality (and, indeed, about what it says on ALL sexual activity outside that between a man and woman married to each other).  We have also taught him that not everyone he meets in the secular World is going to be a Christian and we have informed him about SSM and such.  Lastly, we have taught him boundaries; it's not his job to correct others.  It's his job to do the right thing for himself, first.

If my tax dollars are not going to be used to spread the Gospel or facilitating Christian prayer in school, they ought not be used to affirm doctrines that run counter to Scripture, no matter what public opinion says, because even if you avoid all such people like me, there are millions and millions of Americans that believe as I do.  This is not education; this is indoctrination and indoctrination by teachers who are members of a union with a wide-ranging political agenda that wish to indoctrinate students so that their agenda can someday come to pass.  That's called "being a user of people".  There's really nothing noble about this; it is an attack against the rights of parents, it places public education in direct conflict with religion (and not just taking a neutral posture) and it is indoctrination of young school students worthy of authoritarian societies.  It is unjustifiable by any standard.  My son is now homeschooled, and he's beyond the ages that this bill affects.  I will resist this on behalf of those kids who are still in pulbic schools whose parents are not in the posision of having other options with which to teach their children.

I think queer kids getting to learn about who they are and non-queer kids understanding queerness and accepting it is more important than their parents bigoted religious beliefs going unchallenged. In general, parents don't have a right to isolate their kids from reasonable viewpoints; you are not entitled to isolate your child in a bubble.

Honestly its ironic that you're complaining about public schools "indoctrinating" kids considering that your problem with teaching queerness in public schools is literally that you're not getting to indoctrinate your child with no challenging viewpoints.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Lol there isn't some queer viewpoint stop it and you don't need school for queers to "learn about who they are". Most kids don't learn about themselves due to classes in grade school

We literally have schools teach kids about sex. A lot of people will not get a good understanding of queer issues(which is very important to have, especially for queer kids) unless we teach it in schools. I would have been helped a lot if I was taught about trans people in Kindergarten, for example.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Lol there isn't some queer viewpoint stop it and you don't need school for queers to "learn about who they are". Most kids don't learn about themselves due to classes in grade school

We literally have schools teach kids about sex. A lot of people will not get a good understanding of queer issues(which is very important to have, especially for queer kids) unless we teach it in schools. I would have been helped a lot if I was taught about trans people in Kindergarten, for example.

Teaching about sex from a biological standpoint + safe sex is not the same as a queer viewpoint. False equivalence.

A lot of people will not get a good understanding of queer issues(which is very important to have, especially for queer kids) unless we teach it in schools.

Aka indoctrinate my kids with nonsense

"Anything I don't like is indoctrination, a reactionary culture warriors guide to political discussion".

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Lol there isn't some queer viewpoint stop it and you don't need school for queers to "learn about who they are". Most kids don't learn about themselves due to classes in grade school

We literally have schools teach kids about sex. A lot of people will not get a good understanding of queer issues(which is very important to have, especially for queer kids) unless we teach it in schools. I would have been helped a lot if I was taught about trans people in Kindergarten, for example.

Teaching about sex from a biological standpoint + safe sex is not the same as a queer viewpoint. False equivalence.

A lot of people will not get a good understanding of queer issues(which is very important to have, especially for queer kids) unless we teach it in schools.

Aka indoctrinate my kids with nonsense

Seriously, the 'queer viewpoint' is the viewpoint of people who understand basic reality. Anyone who thinks "homosexuality is wrong" is a reasonable position can be safely ignored on the topic without losing anything of value.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

My life would have been a lot better if I'd learned about trans people and gender dysphoria in kindergarten or even earlier. I'd probably have realized who I really was then and there.

So, just gonna repeat this. The basic explanation of what being gay is, what being trans is, and the fact that its okay to be gay or trans and explaining the basics of what gender dysphoria is isn't inappropriate to children in any way that explaining to kids the basics of what straight marriage is, and more importantly will have a massive positive impact on queer kids(as well as gender nonconforming cis kids), both from them understanding themselves, and other kids not being bigoted against queer people.

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It only affects up to 3rd grade.

Yes and that is extremely bad. We shouldn't expose 3rd graders and younger to child abuse.

Failing to teach sex ed =/= child abuse.

Why do you continue to ignore the part of the bill that would out children to their parents? This is like the third or fourth time I've asked you to defend it, and you just ignore me.

3rd graders don't have sexual or romantic attraction and therefore can't be gay (or straight for that matter).

IIRC this very thread has people stating that they knew they were gay at a quite young age.