For lefties only: more evil, traditional conservatives or libertarians?

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

The ones who smile when gay kids commit suicide.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

The ones who smile when gay kids commit suicide.

In what world does this describe a significant portion of traditional conservatives?

Its something of an exaggeration, but american social conservatism is built upon hurting people who are different, tends to be horribly racist, etc. Doesn't help that they tend to have as bad or worse attitudes about the poor as libertarians(who are often more naive as to what actually helps people then bad people)

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

The ones who smile when gay kids commit suicide.

In what world does this describe a significant portion of traditional conservatives?

Its something of an exaggeration, but american social conservatism is built upon hurting people who are different, tends to be horribly racist, etc. Doesn't help that they tend to have as bad or worse attitudes about the poor as libertarians(who are often more naive as to what actually helps people then bad people)

Ya think?  Also, have you ever met any real life liberals, dude?!  Plenty of racist ones.  Or are they "socially conservative" on that issue?  LOL, GMAFB.

I never claimed that there isn't a chunk of the left that is really bad about race. But this topic isn't about the left. It's about the right. I know quite a lot of liberals, and the liberals who are regressive about race are not as bad about it as many dedicated conservatives, with some exceptions(Seth Macfarlane comes to mind). A significant chunk of republicans in office are pretty openly racist. The current republican president won partially by catering to racist sentiments.

PS: Never call me "dude".

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

american social conservatism is built upon hurting people who are different, tends to be horribly racist, etc.

You are right, but the exact same can be said American economic conservatism. And they have been far more successful in hurting people.

I find the person who thinks that people could make their lives better if the government just stopped interfering is much better morally then a common bigot. Both create very harmful policies, but one is doing it via naivety. It doesn't help that traditional american conservatism isn't any more economically liberal then libertarianism.

The ones who smile when gay kids commit suicide.

In what world does this describe a significant portion of traditional conservatives?

Its something of an exaggeration, but american social conservatism is built upon hurting people who are different, tends to be horribly racist, etc. Doesn't help that they tend to have as bad or worse attitudes about the poor as libertarians(who are often more naive as to what actually helps people then bad people)

Ya think?  Also, have you ever met any real life liberals, dude?!  Plenty of racist ones.  Or are they "socially conservative" on that issue?  LOL, GMAFB.

I never claimed that there isn't a chunk of the left that is really bad about race. But this topic isn't about the left. It's about the right. I know quite a lot of liberals, and the liberals who are regressive about race are not as bad about it as many dedicated conservatives, with some exceptions(Seth Macfarlane comes to mind). A significant chunk of republicans in office are pretty openly racist. The current republican president won partially by catering to racist sentiments.

PS: Never call me "dude".

"Dude" is not a gendered term, self-aware comedy is not harmful, and libertarians are worse than racists - they're racist and classist. Also your first statement is just completely inaccurate, don't lie about good God-fearing people.

Its a very sore spot for me. The word does tend to have masculine  connotations.

The ones who smile when gay kids commit suicide.

In what world does this describe a significant portion of traditional conservatives?

Its something of an exaggeration, but american social conservatism is built upon hurting people who are different, tends to be horribly racist, etc. Doesn't help that they tend to have as bad or worse attitudes about the poor as libertarians(who are often more naive as to what actually helps people then bad people)

As someone who is a social conservative and knows many, none of what your say is true.  Please leave your hyperbole elswewhere.

The man who made up "welfare queens"(Reagan) was a traditional conservative.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Reagan was an American conservative, but very little about the foremost television president was "traditional."

"Traditional" in this case clearly means "standard pretrump conservative". Learn to context(and subtext).

The ones who smile when gay kids commit suicide.

In what world does this describe a significant portion of traditional conservatives?

Its something of an exaggeration, but american social conservatism is built upon hurting people who are different, tends to be horribly racist, etc. Doesn't help that they tend to have as bad or worse attitudes about the poor as libertarians(who are often more naive as to what actually helps people then bad people)

Ya think?  Also, have you ever met any real life liberals, dude?!  Plenty of racist ones.  Or are they "socially conservative" on that issue?  LOL, GMAFB.

I never claimed that there isn't a chunk of the left that is really bad about race. But this topic isn't about the left. It's about the right. I know quite a lot of liberals, and the liberals who are regressive about race are not as bad about it as many dedicated conservatives, with some exceptions(Seth Macfarlane comes to mind). A significant chunk of republicans in office are pretty openly racist. The current republican president won partially by catering to racist sentiments.

PS: Never call me "dude".

"Dude" is not a gendered term, self-aware comedy is not harmful, and libertarians are worse than racists - they're racist and classist. Also your first statement is just completely inaccurate, don't lie about good God-fearing people.

     Supposing that you aren't being ironic there, the only possible response is LOL.

Wow, I didn't notice that part.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Reagan was an American conservative, but very little about the foremost television president was "traditional."

"Traditional" in this case clearly means "standard pretrump conservative". Learn to context(and subtext).

Just as oafish and unpleasant as ever, I see.

And your ego is inflated as usual. I guess knowing fancy words and western enlightenment philosophy can breed a pretty bad pretentious streak in some.

Reagan was an American conservative, but very little about the foremost television president was "traditional."

I'm curious (as I have my own definition here) as to how you would situate a "traditional conservative" in contrast to Reaganism, and at what point this communalism becomes actual egalitarianism.

Traditionalists are not market or technological utopians.
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I'm going by what the asker of the question likely meant; asking a bunch of forum lefties about 1900's conservatism and modern libertarianism doesn't make too much sense, because they don't have a an interesting dichotomy like with modern social and fiscal conservatives(which is what most people today think of when they think "traditional conservatism", including politicians). The literal meaning of traditional would probably imply Metternich-style conservatism, but, shockingly, reading every word by their literal definition isn't a great way to understand things. You have a background much more filled with european "high culture" then most people on this forum, which is going to make your perception of certain things different.

Let's dispel with this fiction that fiscal rightists don't know what they are doing. They know exactly what they are doing. They adhere to Ayn Rand's vicious, hateful, egotistical ideology and want to promote a Darwinian society where only the "successful" (ie, the rich) survive. Writing it off as "naivety" is giving them far more credit than they deserve.

LOL, there are people like that(paul ryan, who's more reaganist anyway), but the vast majority aren't. Have you ever met a libertarian? Ever? "Wants the poor to suffer" is not the description I'd use. "Stupid political views they don't question, often with a little sprinkling of arrogence".