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omegascarlet
Junior Chimp
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« on: February 28, 2017, 01:17:27 PM »

Calling a religious Jew's desire to make aliyah in response to anti-Semitism in the West "crazy"? Really, BRTD?

Not crazy, but very weak.

There's nothing wrong with being "weak".

It's not even so much "weak" as completely illogical as the rate of anti-Semitic violence in Israel is far far far higher than in the US.

Also why has every other Jew posting in this thread found it crazy?

I'll respond to your question with a question. I have a very left-wing Jewish atheist friend who's strongly considering aliyah because he's concerned about white nationalism and afraid of the Trump regime. Would you consider him crazy as well?

Yes actually. Trump is many things, none of them good, but it's hard to see how anti-Semitic is one of them (especially considering that his daughter is Jewish.)

He may not be antisemetic(that isn't perfectly clear), but he definitely panders to antisemetic groups, hires hardcore antsemites to be his trusted advisors, happily creates an atmosphere that makes perpetrators of hate crimes feel backed and encouraged, etc. Antisemitism is going to become more common and commonly expressed in the next four years.

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omegascarlet
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2017, 01:54:11 PM »

Calling a religious Jew's desire to make aliyah in response to anti-Semitism in the West "crazy"? Really, BRTD?

Not crazy, but very weak.

There's nothing wrong with being "weak".

It's not even so much "weak" as completely illogical as the rate of anti-Semitic violence in Israel is far far far higher than in the US.

Also why has every other Jew posting in this thread found it crazy?

I'll respond to your question with a question. I have a very left-wing Jewish atheist friend who's strongly considering aliyah because he's concerned about white nationalism and afraid of the Trump regime. Would you consider him crazy as well?

Yes actually. Trump is many things, none of them good, but it's hard to see how anti-Semitic is one of them (especially considering that his daughter is Jewish.)
please.
1. you are assuming that TRump is in charge of the policy.
2. his rhetoric has been consistently in line with pandering to anti-semites over and above anything else.
3. Fear of the fascist regime that starts with muslims and Mexicans eventually hitting the Jews is quite logical and likely.
4. Pretty weak to keep using his daughter as some sort of proof of anything. Many examples of nazis supporting the regime while making exceptions in their own mind for a Jew or two who they somehow managed to think are "different".
Except that there's absolute no evidence whatsoever of Trump or any of his advisors being antisemitic. the two bits of 'evidence' that keep being brought up are that Bannon's ex-wife made an unconfirmed claim that he'd once said something anti-semitic. She made this claim whilst they were going through a messy divorce so perhaps not the most reliable of witnesses. The other bit of 'evidence' is that Gorka is linked by six degrees of Kevin bacon to Admiral Horthy.

That's the sum total of the 'evidence' that Trump and people in his circle are anti-semitic.

Do you read breitbart? Rhetorical question, I already know the answer. Steve Bannon was its editor. You've seen the anti-semetic headlines.
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