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Joe Biden 2020
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« on: September 06, 2007, 05:59:54 PM »

One of the major complaints about the EC is that extremely small states (in terms of population) are very overrepresented in the EC. The fact that every state must have at least 3 electors (2 - for the number of Senators + 1 as each state has at least one representative district) causes the numbers to not add up. A state with only one representative district of just 10,000 voters will automatically have more weight in the EC than a neighbor state with 2 representative districts, each with 500,000 voters.

For this reason, the GOP can take a huge swath out of the prairie states and end of with electoral block that essentially, has too many electors in relation to the % of the population of the US. Which means that a vote in Idaho or Montana, for instance, carries more weight than a vote in Florida, and I am sure this was not what the founding fathers intended. True, the founding fathers decided on this compromise in order to avoid the "tyranny of the majority",  but the extreme population growth of the nation and the extreme concentration of populations in certain areas is causing a very unfair imbalance in the representation.

If however, the EC is extended to 1100 electors (100 for the number of Senators and 435 x 2 for the 50 states and thirty for the territories such as Guam, Virgin Islands, etc and DC combined), then the imbalance would not be completely corrected, but at least alleviated.

I am curious to know if anyone has already made this suggestion to his or her congressman.....

Suggestions? Arguments?

Under your proposal that would make the smaller states feel even less significant and might cause more voters to stay home in those states because their vote won't matter.  It would give too much power to the big states.  If the states are already ignored during campaigns, how much more would they be ignored during the actual administration.  I think the smaller states still need a voice.  If anything I would advocate giving the smaller states a bigger voice than what they have right now, because in reality the people of those small states are just as important as the people of the big states.
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Joe Biden 2020
BushOklahoma
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« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2008, 04:57:55 PM »

One of the major complaints about the EC is that extremely small states (in terms of population) are very overrepresented in the EC. The fact that every state must have at least 3 electors (2 - for the number of Senators + 1 as each state has at least one representative district) causes the numbers to not add up. A state with only one representative district of just 10,000 voters will automatically have more weight in the EC than a neighbor state with 2 representative districts, each with 500,000 voters.

For this reason, the GOP can take a huge swath out of the prairie states and end of with electoral block that essentially, has too many electors in relation to the % of the population of the US. Which means that a vote in Idaho or Montana, for instance, carries more weight than a vote in Florida, and I am sure this was not what the founding fathers intended. True, the founding fathers decided on this compromise in order to avoid the "tyranny of the majority",  but the extreme population growth of the nation and the extreme concentration of populations in certain areas is causing a very unfair imbalance in the representation.

If however, the EC is extended to 1100 electors (100 for the number of Senators and 435 x 2 for the 50 states and thirty for the territories such as Guam, Virgin Islands, etc and DC combined), then the imbalance would not be completely corrected, but at least alleviated.

I am curious to know if anyone has already made this suggestion to his or her congressman.....

Suggestions? Arguments?

Under your proposal that would make the smaller states feel even less significant and might cause more voters to stay home in those states because their vote won't matter.  It would give too much power to the big states.  If the states are already ignored during campaigns, how much more would they be ignored during the actual administration.  I think the smaller states still need a voice.  If anything I would advocate giving the smaller states a bigger voice than what they have right now, because in reality the people of those small states are just as important as the people of the big states.

This argument still makes no sense.

You mean it makes no sense for the little guy to get as much of a voice as the big guy?
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Joe Biden 2020
BushOklahoma
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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2008, 10:25:20 PM »

One of the major complaints about the EC is that extremely small states (in terms of population) are very overrepresented in the EC. The fact that every state must have at least 3 electors (2 - for the number of Senators + 1 as each state has at least one representative district) causes the numbers to not add up. A state with only one representative district of just 10,000 voters will automatically have more weight in the EC than a neighbor state with 2 representative districts, each with 500,000 voters.

For this reason, the GOP can take a huge swath out of the prairie states and end of with electoral block that essentially, has too many electors in relation to the % of the population of the US. Which means that a vote in Idaho or Montana, for instance, carries more weight than a vote in Florida, and I am sure this was not what the founding fathers intended. True, the founding fathers decided on this compromise in order to avoid the "tyranny of the majority",  but the extreme population growth of the nation and the extreme concentration of populations in certain areas is causing a very unfair imbalance in the representation.

If however, the EC is extended to 1100 electors (100 for the number of Senators and 435 x 2 for the 50 states and thirty for the territories such as Guam, Virgin Islands, etc and DC combined), then the imbalance would not be completely corrected, but at least alleviated.

I am curious to know if anyone has already made this suggestion to his or her congressman.....

Suggestions? Arguments?

Under your proposal that would make the smaller states feel even less significant and might cause more voters to stay home in those states because their vote won't matter.  It would give too much power to the big states.  If the states are already ignored during campaigns, how much more would they be ignored during the actual administration.  I think the smaller states still need a voice.  If anything I would advocate giving the smaller states a bigger voice than what they have right now, because in reality the people of those small states are just as important as the people of the big states.

This argument still makes no sense.

You mean it makes no sense for the little guy to get as much of a voice as the big guy?

It makes no sense for the little guy to get a much bigger voice. Why should my vote count for less than your vote? It does right now (or would if I could vote, at least).

How does your vote count less than mine? (big guy to little guy)?  Should the little guy not have a voice?  Should the little guy shut up and let the big guy run the show?  I thought all men were created equal?

I'm not griping, I'm just wondering why the big states care nothing about and never listen to the small states?  This country belongs to the small states as much as it does to the big states.

I'm going to repeat this even though it sounds like a well-worn statement from me.  The 8 or 9 million people in New York City are NO MORE IMPORTANT than the 8 or 9 people in small town Lambert, Oklahoma.
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Joe Biden 2020
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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2008, 08:51:05 AM »

This isn't a bad idea but it's still less good than outright tossing the EC. The Electoral college was a good idea back in the early 19th century when travel was soley by horseback and there weren't even telegraphs. Now it's an anachronism that fits only in the museum.

I like the EC, simply because without it states like Wyoming would have but a whisper and California would have a big roar.  I'd rather have the small state disproportionatly favored, because IT GIVES THEM A VOICE.  I don't think there is a single soul in this nation who wants the small states to be forced to bow down to the dominating voice of the big states.
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