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RightBehind
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« on: March 21, 2016, 03:39:25 PM »

Slamming the U.S. on human rights isn't wrong.
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RightBehind
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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2016, 06:16:38 PM »

Slamming the U.S. on human rights isn't wrong.
....while keeping hundreds of dissidents in prison at the same time?

I'm not saying Cuba is perfect either, but my fellow Americans need to realize we're not as saintly as often indoctrinated.
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RightBehind
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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2016, 10:43:47 AM »
« Edited: March 22, 2016, 09:00:23 PM by AlwaysBernie »

Slamming the U.S. on human rights isn't wrong.
....while keeping hundreds of dissidents in prison at the same time?

I'm not saying Cuba is perfect either, but my fellow Americans need to realize we're not as saintly as often indoctrinated.
Of course not, but who are THEY to judge? Who are anyone to judge? With the exception of Canada perhaps, we're probably #1 in the world in terms of not having literally any political prisoners.  


You can nitpick and probably find something every country has done that wasn't morally right. We may not have political prisoners, but we have also committed war crimes and torturing is not something I support. The CIA papers released information that we did torture innocent people at Gitmo.

I stand with Obama's opinion that the embargo needs to be lifted. This isn't the Cold War anymore. Cuba is not the enemy. Look at Brussels and the perpetrators of the attacks. That is the enemy.

I also laugh when people stand in opposition to lifting the embargo or having some kind of relations with Cuba when one of our biggest allies is Saudi Arabia.
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RightBehind
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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2016, 08:58:48 PM »

Slamming the U.S. on human rights isn't wrong.
....while keeping hundreds of dissidents in prison at the same time?

I'm not saying Cuba is perfect either, but my fellow Americans need to realize we're not as saintly as often indoctrinated.
Of course not, but who are THEY to judge? Who are anyone to judge? With the exception of Canada perhaps, we're probably #1 in the world in terms of not having literally any political prisoners. 


You can nitpick and probably find something every country has done that wasn't morally right. We may not have political prisoners, but we have also committed war crimes and torturing is not something I support. The CIA papers released information that we did torture innocent people at Gitmo.

I stand with Obama's opinion that the embargo needs to be lifted. This isn't the Cold War anymore. Cuba is not the enemy. Look at Brussels and the perpetrators of the attacks. That is the enemy.

I also laugh when people stand in opposition to lifting the embargo or having some kind of relations with Cuba when one of out biggest allies is Saudi Arabia.
I also am in favor of ending the embargo, stopping aid to the brutal Saudi regime, and closing Gitmo. Sure. That's all good.

Still doesn't change the fact that Cuba was and is worse when it comes to human rights.

So while Cuba may be worse, it might not equate to them being wrong when they criticized us.
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RightBehind
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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2016, 09:55:46 PM »

Slamming the U.S. on human rights isn't wrong.
....while keeping hundreds of dissidents in prison at the same time?

I'm not saying Cuba is perfect either, but my fellow Americans need to realize we're not as saintly as often indoctrinated.
Of course not, but who are THEY to judge? Who are anyone to judge? With the exception of Canada perhaps, we're probably #1 in the world in terms of not having literally any political prisoners. 


You can nitpick and probably find something every country has done that wasn't morally right. We may not have political prisoners, but we have also committed war crimes and torturing is not something I support. The CIA papers released information that we did torture innocent people at Gitmo.

I stand with Obama's opinion that the embargo needs to be lifted. This isn't the Cold War anymore. Cuba is not the enemy. Look at Brussels and the perpetrators of the attacks. That is the enemy.

I also laugh when people stand in opposition to lifting the embargo or having some kind of relations with Cuba when one of out biggest allies is Saudi Arabia.
I also am in favor of ending the embargo, stopping aid to the brutal Saudi regime, and closing Gitmo. Sure. That's all good.

Still doesn't change the fact that Cuba was and is worse when it comes to human rights.

So while Cuba may be worse, it might not equate to them being wrong when they criticized us.
Might? No, it is wrong for them to criticize us on human rights issues. The embargo is different, but when it comes to our own human rights situation, they have no right to talk. At all.

Wrong not in the sense of should or shouldn't, but wrong in terms of accuracy.

Should they talk about it while they've been terrible on human rights? No. Is the content of their criticisms valid? Probably.
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RightBehind
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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2016, 09:47:25 PM »

Slamming the U.S. on human rights isn't wrong.

It is.

Saying otherwise is both stupid and completely amoral.

US has always been and remains the major force for human rights in the world. This is why, not being an American, I love that country.

This country cares about human rights when it wants to. The government has no problem forgoing human rights during invasions of other countries in exchange for profiteering off of it.

There's a lot of good about this country. There's much to love. We take for granted freedoms other parts of the world could get harshly punished for.

At the same time, there's also areas we can improve on both home and abroad. Our human rights record on the world's stage isn't completely spotless historically or in recent memory. The America I was taught about as a little kid isn't the same America I've learned about as an adult.
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