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« on: March 12, 2016, 10:28:18 AM »

Trump created this kind of violence with his rhetoric and supporters. What you saw last night was thousands of people standing up to a bully. I condemn physical violence but Trump and his supporters had it coming with people revolting against him.

Trump took no responsibility. That's okay, Donald, it's your fault whether you want to admit it or not because of everything you have said has all built up for months. The volcano finally erupted.
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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2016, 12:18:41 PM »

Ask yourselves why other candidates don't have protestors like this and the reasons there started to be protesters.

I stand with the protesters. At least the ones who were peaceful about it.
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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2016, 12:29:36 PM »

Ask yourselves why other candidates don't have protestors like this and the reasons there started to be protesters.

I stand with the protesters. At least the ones who were peaceful about it.

Oh, except for those times when Black Lives Matter protest Bernie. And Hillary. Good times!

Protests like this? Because you have to have crowds like this and only Bernie does. Trump supporters are lunatics, but not lunatic enough to invade another person's rally...that is until this happened; we'll see if that starts.

Two people at Black Lives Matter protested Bernie's rally last Summer. What has happened since?

Now reflect on the number of protesters at Trump rallies.
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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2016, 12:30:29 PM »

Ask yourselves why other candidates don't have protestors like this and the reasons there started to be protesters.

I stand with the protesters. At least the ones who were peaceful about it.

Oh, except for those times when Black Lives Matter protest Bernie. And Hillary. Good times!

Protests like this? Because you have to have crowds like this and only Bernie does. Trump supporters are lunatics, but not lunatic enough to invade another person's rally...that is until this happened; we'll see if that starts.
Yeah last night was a declaration of war. I'm looking forward to it. Let's see Bernie take on some Pasco County hicks down there in Tampa. Those guys will send these whiny college kids packing.

Last night was standing up to hate speech.
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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2016, 12:38:08 PM »

Ask yourselves why other candidates don't have protestors like this and the reasons there started to be protesters.

I stand with the protesters. At least the ones who were peaceful about it.

Oh, except for those times when Black Lives Matter protest Bernie. And Hillary. Good times!

Protests like this? Because you have to have crowds like this and only Bernie does. Trump supporters are lunatics, but not lunatic enough to invade another person's rally...that is until this happened; we'll see if that starts.
Yeah last night was a declaration of war. I'm looking forward to it. Let's see Bernie take on some Pasco County hicks down there in Tampa. Those guys will send these whiny college kids packing.

Last night was standing up to hate speech.

No, last night was a bunch of protestors restricting free speech and inciting violence. They're f**king domestic terrorists.

Trump is the one inciting violence against his protesters and don't forget prople have the right to protest. Don't forget free speech applies to his critics.
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2016, 12:41:47 PM »

Ask yourselves why other candidates don't have protestors like this and the reasons there started to be protesters.

I stand with the protesters. At least the ones who were peaceful about it.

Oh, except for those times when Black Lives Matter protest Bernie. And Hillary. Good times!

Protests like this? Because you have to have crowds like this and only Bernie does. Trump supporters are lunatics, but not lunatic enough to invade another person's rally...that is until this happened; we'll see if that starts.
Yeah last night was a declaration of war. I'm looking forward to it. Let's see Bernie take on some Pasco County hicks down there in Tampa. Those guys will send these whiny college kids packing.

Last night was standing up to hate speech.

No, last night was a bunch of protestors restricting free speech and inciting violence. They're f**king domestic terrorists.

Trump is the one inciting violence against his protesters and don't forget prople have the right to protest. Don't forget free speech applies to his critics.

Free speech doesn't apply to anybody in this scenario.
The right to protest exists so long as it doesn't infringe on Trump's rights to assemble and associate with who he pleases.

Whose rights did the protesters infringe on last night? Trump called it off.
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2016, 12:44:04 PM »

Ask yourselves why other candidates don't have protestors like this and the reasons there started to be protesters.

I stand with the protesters. At least the ones who were peaceful about it.

Oh, except for those times when Black Lives Matter protest Bernie. And Hillary. Good times!

Protests like this? Because you have to have crowds like this and only Bernie does. Trump supporters are lunatics, but not lunatic enough to invade another person's rally...that is until this happened; we'll see if that starts.
Yeah last night was a declaration of war. I'm looking forward to it. Let's see Bernie take on some Pasco County hicks down there in Tampa. Those guys will send these whiny college kids packing.

Last night was standing up to hate speech.

No, last night was a bunch of protestors restricting free speech and inciting violence. They're f**king domestic terrorists.

Tell that to your candidate please

What does Rubio have anything to do with this.

I heard people on the radio this morning saying that Rubio had blamed it on Trump, but looking at the actual quote in context it's clear that Rubio has his act together on this.  I disavow my previous post.

I blame the violence on the protesters but I blame the uprising and the protests on Trump.
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2016, 12:44:52 PM »

Ask yourselves why other candidates don't have protestors like this and the reasons there started to be protesters.

I stand with the protesters. At least the ones who were peaceful about it.

Oh, except for those times when Black Lives Matter protest Bernie. And Hillary. Good times!

Protests like this? Because you have to have crowds like this and only Bernie does. Trump supporters are lunatics, but not lunatic enough to invade another person's rally...that is until this happened; we'll see if that starts.
Yeah last night was a declaration of war. I'm looking forward to it. Let's see Bernie take on some Pasco County hicks down there in Tampa. Those guys will send these whiny college kids packing.

Last night was standing up to hate speech.

No, last night was a bunch of protestors restricting free speech and inciting violence. They're f**king domestic terrorists.

Trump is the one inciting violence against his protesters and don't forget prople have the right to protest. Don't forget free speech applies to his critics.

Free speech doesn't apply to anybody in this scenario.
The right to protest exists so long as it doesn't infringe on Trump's rights to assemble and associate with who he pleases.

Whose rights did the protesters infringe on last night? Trump called it off.

You're darn right Trump called it off because he is a loving figure who doesn't want to see anybody get hurt. Not all men are created so good.

You mean like when he defends his supporters getting violent against protesters?
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2016, 12:47:34 PM »

Ask yourselves why other candidates don't have protestors like this and the reasons there started to be protesters.

I stand with the protesters. At least the ones who were peaceful about it.

Oh, except for those times when Black Lives Matter protest Bernie. And Hillary. Good times!

Protests like this? Because you have to have crowds like this and only Bernie does. Trump supporters are lunatics, but not lunatic enough to invade another person's rally...that is until this happened; we'll see if that starts.
Yeah last night was a declaration of war. I'm looking forward to it. Let's see Bernie take on some Pasco County hicks down there in Tampa. Those guys will send these whiny college kids packing.

Last night was standing up to hate speech.

No, last night was a bunch of protestors restricting free speech and inciting violence. They're f**king domestic terrorists.

Trump is the one inciting violence against his protesters and don't forget prople have the right to protest. Don't forget free speech applies to his critics.

Free speech doesn't apply to anybody in this scenario.
The right to protest exists so long as it doesn't infringe on Trump's rights to assemble and associate with who he pleases.

Whose rights did the protesters infringe on last night? Trump called it off.

You're darn right Trump called it off because he is a loving figure who doesn't want to see anybody get hurt. Not all men are created so good.

You mean like when he defends his supporters getting violent against protesters?

The protesters have no right to be there. I go to a Hillary rally and silently listen to what she has to say. Not a peep. And I find her to be incredibly repulsive.

People have every right to protest his rally.
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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2016, 12:52:57 PM »

They can protest by refusing to go or staging their own event. You are not welcome in my house uninvited.

If people want to hold anti-Trump signs at his rally or boo him, that is their right.

Going on stage to attack him is not right but they can still protest at the rally.
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2016, 12:57:52 PM »

They can protest by refusing to go or staging their own event. You are not welcome in my house uninvited.

If people want to hold anti-Trump signs at his rally or boo him, that is their right.

Going on stage to attack him is not right but they can still protest at the rally.

True and it is Trump's right to have them forcefully ejected by having security drag them out if he doesn't want them to be there.

People protest Trump because of his rhetoric. Him telling supporters to knock protesters out, he wants to punch them, defending John McGraw, these are all fighting words.

For the last seven years Obama has been called the divider in chief. Trump's potential administration would be erosion on an even higher scale.
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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2016, 01:20:22 PM »

They can protest by refusing to go or staging their own event. You are not welcome in my house uninvited.

If people want to hold anti-Trump signs at his rally or boo him, that is their right.

Going on stage to attack him is not right but they can still protest at the rally.

True and it is Trump's right to have them forcefully ejected by having security drag them out if he doesn't want them to be there.

People protest Trump because of his rhetoric. Him telling supporters to knock protesters out, he wants to punch them, defending John McGraw, these are all fighting words.

For the last seven years Obama has been called the divider in chief. Trump's potential administration would be erosion on an even higher scale.

The last thing we need is more Sanders people criticizing the great leadership of Obama. Let's stop perpetuating this myth. The only reason he is divisive is because of Fox News profiteering off his race-baiting. He is a fantastic and strong leader who has made America better than ever before. Please stop siding with the morons on the right. Even repeating their words is not OK.

Likewise, Trump would not be divisive if not for media fabrications. Sure, he is behind some of it, but in the end, he is the one talking about deal-making, compromise and peace in the Middle East. Very divisive behavior.

McGraw was right btw. The protester was not peaceful. Raising your fingers to the crowd is a sign of hate and anger. Unsurprising that that would happen.


Trump wants to commit war crimes. Then lied about it.

I never once said Obama has divided us. I said what other people have said and that Trump would divide us like we've never seen before.

So flipping off a crowd gives someone a right to punch that person and say on camera he would kill said person if he ever saw him again?
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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2016, 04:37:25 PM »

This poll and thread alone shows how divided we are by this man. He will bring great destruction to the land if president.


Reagan started America's decline.

Bush 43 put us on life support.

Obama did his best to heal us.

Trump would be the death of this country.
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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2016, 04:42:27 PM »
« Edited: March 12, 2016, 04:49:54 PM by AlwaysBernie »

This poll and thread alone shows how divided we are by this man. He will bring great destruction to the land if president.


Reagan started America's decline.

Bush 43 put us on life support.

Obama did his best to heal us.

Trump would be the death of this country.

>says Trump has divided us
>proceeds to divide us

Trump has divided us. He certainly hasn't unified us. If he gets 270, het ready for four years of unrest.
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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2016, 05:43:37 PM »

This poll and thread alone shows how divided we are by this man. He will bring great destruction to the land if president.


Reagan started America's decline.

Bush 43 put us on life support.

Obama did his best to heal us.

Trump would be the death of this country.

>says Trump has divided us
>proceeds to divide us

Trump has divided us. He certainly hasn't unified us. If he gets 270, het ready for four years of unrest.

I agree that Trump is a divider but if you're the one preaching that divisive politics is bad then don't go and insult a conservative icon like Reagan, further dividing people.

Merely my opinion if I didn't come across that way. I know the right loves Reagan, but I think he waa one of the two worst presidents this country ever had (the other being his vice president's son) and my belief that we've been in a decline since his administration and Trump will only finish the job once and for all.
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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2016, 06:53:07 PM »

And the protesters had a right to protest. Freedom of assembly.
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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2016, 07:01:25 PM »

Trump is indirectly to blame, as his rhetoric encourages extremists from both sides to come out of the woodwork. In this instance, however, the protestors are to blame. If they really want to protest Trump, they should go and cast their ballots against one of his opponents (in the primary or the general). This does not excuse the other incidents of Trump supporters attacking people.

This is horsecrap!

Trump is not inciting to riot.  What he IS doing is calling for (A) our EXISTING immigration laws to be enforced, and (B) a reassessment of our immigration policy in light of deadly incidents that suggest that our current de facto immigration policy might not be in the best interests of the USA.  And he has facts to back up his reasoning; the San Bernadino murderous jihadist's wife entered our country with minimal vetting.  

If we are going to blame Trump and his constituency for what others (who are non-supportive of Trump) do at his (Trump's) events, then how dare anyone criticizing Trump for his comments on Muslims?  Where is the outcry about hateful Jihadist rhetoric, the effect it has on its listeners, and how others have their head in the sand on this issue because they hope that Muslims in America will become citizens and staunch voting Democrats?  

I suggest we blame the disturbances at Trump's events on those doing the disturbing.  Period.

Trump brings out the worst in people. Hate only breeds hate. You cannot deny that his supporters have also acted uncivilized. He's a war criminal in the making and only stirs up fear and hate. Not love.
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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2016, 07:06:38 PM »

Trump is indirectly to blame, as his rhetoric encourages extremists from both sides to come out of the woodwork. In this instance, however, the protestors are to blame. If they really want to protest Trump, they should go and cast their ballots against one of his opponents (in the primary or the general). This does not excuse the other incidents of Trump supporters attacking people.

This is horsecrap!

Trump is not inciting to riot.  What he IS doing is calling for (A) our EXISTING immigration laws to be enforced, and (B) a reassessment of our immigration policy in light of deadly incidents that suggest that our current de facto immigration policy might not be in the best interests of the USA.  And he has facts to back up his reasoning; the San Bernadino murderous jihadist's wife entered our country with minimal vetting.  

If we are going to blame Trump and his constituency for what others (who are non-supportive of Trump) do at his (Trump's) events, then how dare anyone criticizing Trump for his comments on Muslims?  Where is the outcry about hateful Jihadist rhetoric, the effect it has on its listeners, and how others have their head in the sand on this issue because they hope that Muslims in America will become citizens and staunch voting Democrats?  

I suggest we blame the disturbances at Trump's events on those doing the disturbing.  Period.

Trump brings out the worst in people. Hate only breeds hate. You cannot deny that his supporters have also acted uncivilized. He's a war criminal in the making and only stirs up fear and hate. Not love.

Yet, he preaches love at each one of his rallies. "We have to love everybody," says TRUMP.

He's a walking contradiction with his words.
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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2016, 07:35:32 PM »

And the protesters had a right to protest. Freedom of assembly.

But they don't have a right to be disorderly in public.  They don't have the right to disrupt a public event that is sponsored by a particular organization for a particular purpose.  Their right to protest is one that occurs on public property.  If they want to picket folks as they go in, that's fine, but they don't have a right to obstruct ingress and egress, threaten, or physically harm persons.  People attending Trump's rallies have rights to, including the right from not being assaulted or battered by a demonstrator.  And a demonstrator who threatens folks at a public rally while disrupting it is committing an assault.  That's not the 1st amendment, any more than a bank robber handing over a note demanding money and stating that he has a gun is "free speech".

And what of all the assaults that trump supporters commit on others ?
Are you just intentionally forgetful of those assaults ?
The vast majority of protesters who are there, and not physically hurting anyone, are punched, hit, pushed around, and assaulted by trump supporters.
And the violence is condoned by trump, who says that he will pay for anyone's lawyer who is involved with violence.

Yes the demonstrators are disruptive, but that is what a demonstration is all about.
trump supporters should not, and can not, strike demonstrators for being at the rallies. They just need to allow security/police to eject the protestors.



According to Ljube though, Trump's message is all about Love. 100%. Believe it.

He can claim to be loving, doesn't mean he is.
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« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2016, 09:48:36 AM »


He says he wants to take out terrorists families, then says he doesn't want to kill them.

He says he's going to ruin the protesters lives, but doesn't want to.

He encourages violence against protesters, then condemns it.

He promises to pay legal bills for his supporters, now he's sounding less confident on that front.

He disavows David Duke then says two days later he knows nothing about him.

Trump's supporters are being duped and they either don't know or don't care.
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« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2016, 11:13:54 AM »


He says he wants to take out terrorists families, then says he doesn't want to kill them.

He says he's going to ruin the protesters lives, but doesn't want to.

He encourages violence against protesters, then condemns it.

He promises to pay legal bills for his supporters, now he's sounding less confident on that front.

He disavows David Duke then says two days later he knows nothing about him.

Trump's supporters are being duped and they either don't know or don't care.

Thank you for pointing that out. You can choose the positions you like, like from a menu.
My picks:

He says he doesn't want to kill terrorists families.

He says he doesn't want to ruin the protesters lives.

He condemns violence against protesters.

He's sounding less confident on his promise to pay legal bills for his supporters.

He disavows David Duke.


My point is Trump is no different than your typical flopping politicians. He's just more loud and obnoxious about it.
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