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« on: January 05, 2019, 07:44:40 PM »

We have explained why we believe what we believe on many occasions. The issue is bigger than simply choosing to join a union. Can we get a move on with this legislation finally? Clearly nobody is going to change their mind by the end of this debate

If you care about workers so much, why do you want to take away their right to choose whether or not they join a labor union? If unions are as good as you say they are, why do you have to force them to join one?
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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2019, 09:49:01 PM »

If you're going to force people to join a union, and argue that unions are good for the workers, why are you people defending their ability to use their funds on things that dont help the workers?

This is a more than reasonable amendment, and just proved how anti-worker the Atlasian left is.
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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2019, 10:22:04 PM »

If you're going to force people to join a union, and argue that unions are good for the workers, why are you people defending their ability to use their funds on things that dont help the workers?

This is a more than reasonable amendment, and just proved how anti-worker the Atlasian left is.

Once again, the amendment is written in a way that it prohibits even one worker’s payments going to administrative costs unless every other worker also agrees with it.



If even one worker objects to their dues being used to pay for ridiculous things like political donations and lobbying, that is one too many, especially when you want to force them to join the union or face unemployment.

If you guys really cared about workers, you wouldn't be pushing for this bill at all, and the left wing representatives certainly would have at least supported the amendment.

I guess it's fair to say the name "Labor" party doesn't mean what it implies.
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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2019, 11:00:39 PM »

If you're going to force people to join a union, and argue that unions are good for the workers, why are you people defending their ability to use their funds on things that dont help the workers?

This is a more than reasonable amendment, and just proved how anti-worker the Atlasian left is.

Once again, the amendment is written in a way that it prohibits even one worker’s payments going to administrative costs unless every other worker also agrees with it.



If even one worker objects to their dues being used to pay for ridiculous things like political donations and lobbying, that is one too many, especially when you want to force them to join the union or face unemployment.

If you guys really cared about workers, you wouldn't be pushing for this bill at all, and the left wing representatives certainly would have at least supported the amendment.

I guess it's fair to say the name "Labor" party doesn't mean what it implies.

If worker A isn’t okay with their dues being used for political purposes, then I agree, those dues shouldn’t be used for that. But why should that prevent worker B’s dues from being used for political purposes if they are okay with it?

Why allow unions to do it in the first place if it doesn't actually help the workers?
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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2019, 11:07:06 PM »

If you're going to force people to join a union, and argue that unions are good for the workers, why are you people defending their ability to use their funds on things that dont help the workers?

This is a more than reasonable amendment, and just proved how anti-worker the Atlasian left is.

Once again, the amendment is written in a way that it prohibits even one worker’s payments going to administrative costs unless every other worker also agrees with it.



If even one worker objects to their dues being used to pay for ridiculous things like political donations and lobbying, that is one too many, especially when you want to force them to join the union or face unemployment.

If you guys really cared about workers, you wouldn't be pushing for this bill at all, and the left wing representatives certainly would have at least supported the amendment.

I guess it's fair to say the name "Labor" party doesn't mean what it implies.

If worker A isn’t okay with their dues being used for political purposes, then I agree, those dues shouldn’t be used for that. But why should that prevent worker B’s dues from being used for political purposes if they are okay with it?

Why allow unions to do it in the first place if it doesn't actually help the workers?

What, you want to ban unions from political activity completely?

If you're going to force people into them, there's no need for them to be engaged in political activity.
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2019, 05:49:47 AM »

Given the anti union attitudes demonstrated by many officehilders both rl and in Atlasia, unions are right to stand up for their values and help parties that will deliver for their members. This amendment is very poorly written and it is sad how petty and obstructionist some Representatives are being.
It's not anti-union to think that being in a union should be the employee's choice, and that unions should only exist to help the worker, not to further garbage political causes.
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2019, 04:30:27 PM »

Given the anti union attitudes demonstrated by many officehilders both rl and in Atlasia, unions are right to stand up for their values and help parties that will deliver for their members. This amendment is very poorly written and it is sad how petty and obstructionist some Representatives are being.
It's not anti-union to think that being in a union should be the employee's choice, and that unions should only exist to help the worker, not to further garbage political causes.

Even by that objective this amendment takes it to an illogical extreme, and this is not good legislating.
Just because you disagree, doesn't make it an illogical extreme and bad legislating. These are completely valid and reasonable amendments.
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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2019, 05:18:57 PM »

Given the anti union attitudes demonstrated by many officehilders both rl and in Atlasia, unions are right to stand up for their values and help parties that will deliver for their members. This amendment is very poorly written and it is sad how petty and obstructionist some Representatives are being.
It's not anti-union to think that being in a union should be the employee's choice, and that unions should only exist to help the worker, not to further garbage political causes.

Even by that objective this amendment takes it to an illogical extreme, and this is not good legislating.
Just because you disagree, doesn't make it an illogical extreme and bad legislating. These are completely valid and reasonable amendments.

As Laborites have pointed out(and as you'd say, anyone paying attention can figure out) this amendment is indeed illogical and bad legislating.
Just because they're Laborites doesn't make their opinion that it's illogical or bad legislating accurate.
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