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« on: November 15, 2018, 06:35:20 PM »

Currently under the Constitution, Congress cannot create, modify, or eliminate executive departments, including those already created by Congress in the past; only the president can. This amendment will fix this problem by also giving Congress to ability to create executive departments with officials appointed by the President.

It is a problem, though? Cabinet departments are part of the Executive Power and at the discretion of the President, allowing for a centralized yet efficient system in which, as far as I know, there really hasn't been much (if any) need for Congress to meddle in. I should further note giving such wide powers to Congress when it comes to the Presidency would mean that Congress would be able to terminate existing executive departments (and indrectly fire a cabinet officer) against the will of the President, which is just asking for Constitutional trouble along the line.

I suppose it is kind of strange considering my favorable view towards several instances of reform, but this does seem rather unnecesary at a first glance. Why would it be a problem for Congress not to have such powers?

This is exactly my concern.
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2018, 11:36:38 PM »

Jimmy are you even going to bother addressing the concerns of folks on here, some of which are your fellow House members? This is your amendment, you should be able to defend it.
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2018, 12:20:16 AM »

I'd still very much like to see Lumine's questions answered, something you seem to be ignoring. Sure, your amendment may protect cabinet officials and those in positions created by executive order, but what problem is this fixing, exactly? It seems that this has more to do with you being frustrated that your previous bill was unconstitutional, rather than fixing a real problem in the game.

In case you missed it, I'll go ahead and repost it here:
It is a problem, though? Cabinet departments are part of the Executive Power and at the discretion of the President, allowing for a centralized yet efficient system in which, as far as I know, there really hasn't been much (if any) need for Congress to meddle in. I should further note giving such wide powers to Congress when it comes to the Presidency would mean that Congress would be able to terminate existing executive departments (and indrectly fire a cabinet officer) against the will of the President, which is just asking for Constitutional trouble along the line.

I suppose it is kind of strange considering my favorable view towards several instances of reform, but this does seem rather unnecesary at a first glance. Why would it be a problem for Congress not to have such powers?
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2018, 01:07:18 AM »

I'd still very much like to see Lumine's questions answered, something you seem to be ignoring. Sure, your amendment may protect cabinet officials and those in positions created by executive order, but what problem is this fixing, exactly? It seems that this has more to do with you being frustrated that your previous bill was unconstitutional, rather than fixing a real problem in the game.

This fixes a lot of problems,  including the retarded number of bullschit useless bureaucracies that shouldn't exist, the fact that a multitude of laws the Supreme court chief justice thinks are legal may be illegal, and a really stupid division of power that ignores commonsense. At least Jimmy is pushing for a Constitutional amendment first rather than just passing something at letting others deal with it.

No comment on how many of my bills this year eliminated useless, redundant bureaucracies and were then passed by both Houses of Congress (including the previous 2 Houses) and signed by the President (including the one prior to NCY) without any reference to the absurdity of this really dumb lack of congressional oversight in the Constitution.

This doesn't actually answer what specific problems existed in game because of how the constitution is written. It seems that those who support this amendment want to pass it only want to do so to create departments that would end up either being unfilled, filled by someone who won't actually do the job, or could easily just be done by the SoIA, a position that already exists and often doesn't do enough in this game as is (and is still a position that the current President has made no effort to fill). The reason behind this amendment will end up just causing more issues than it fixes.
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