🇦🇺 Australian Indigenous Voice to Parliament Referendum (October 14th)

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Peter Dutton's response:

"The referendum will be held on 14 October.

The result will be close. The Yes campaign are backed by big unions and corporations. We know they will spend many millions on advertising.

Despite what Mr Albanese says, this Voice proposal goes much further than simply recognising Indigenous Australians.

It covers all areas of “Executive Government”. Basically, no issue would be beyond its reach.

It risks legal challenges and delays. The High Court would ultimately decide its powers.

Some Voice supporters say this will be a first step to reparations and compensation and other radical changes.

Incredibly, Mr Albanese recently admitted he hasn’t read additional pages that, until recently, leading Voice proponents said were part of the Uluru Statement.

The Prime Minister isn’t good with details. And his government is refusing to provide details.

For example, we don’t know how members of the Voice would be chosen or how it would operate. Australians are being asked to vote before these details are worked out.

Enshrining the Voice into the Constitution would mean it’s permanent.

When we need to unite the country, this divides us."

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The Federal Liberal members coming out thick and fast now.

Ian Goodenough's response:

THE RISKY VOICE REFERENDUM

"Changing our Constitution is a big decision, yet Labor refuses to provide basic details before the vote, which has officially been set for October 14th.
 
We don’t know how members of the Voice would be chosen or how it would operate. We also don’t know how much it would cost.
 
This is legally risky, with unknown consequences. And any changes will be permanent.
 
Western Australia’s recent Aboriginal Cultural Heritage Act demonstrates what can happen when Governments get the details wrong. Of course, bad legislation can be reversed by Parliament.
 
Changes to our Constitution can’t be – meaning Australians will be stuck with any negative consequences.
 
Labor has also ignored warnings from many legal experts about the Voice covering all areas of “Executive Government” and decisions being subject to legal challenge. This risks more dysfunction and delay.
 
As a migrant to our great country myself, I am also concerned that the Voice will undermine our equality of citizenship. We are all equal in the eyes of the Constitution and we need to bring Australians together, not divide them.

Some Voice supporters say this would just be a first step to reparations and compensation and other radical changes. So, what would come next?

This Voice is legally risky, with unknown consequences. It would be divisive and permanent."

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Channel 9 asked people on Social Media (Instagram/Facebook) if listening to Albanese' speech helped sell the YES vote for them for the upcoming referendum.

The responses:

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Albanese campaigning in the state of Tasmania.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-31/albanese-spends-first-campaign-day-in-hobart/102797868


Where are the Aboriginal people? Anthony Albanese says he is convinced Tasmanians will support the Voice.(ABC News: David Sciasci)

A state with essentially an aboriginal population of zero, Albanese is confident Tasmania will vote YES.

It will be interesting to see if Albanese visits the Aboriginal villages in outback Northern Territory, the most populated Aboriginal region in Australia who are disqualified from the 2nd half of the referendum because NT has no vote under the constitution.

If Northern Territory was a state, then the YES vote would be a chance in this referendum.

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Albanese campaigning in the state of Tasmania.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-31/albanese-spends-first-campaign-day-in-hobart/102797868
A state with essentially an aboriginal population of zero, Albanese is confident Tasmania will vote YES.

It will be interesting to see if Albanese visits the Aboriginal villages in outback Northern Territory, the most populated Aboriginal region in Australia who are disqualified from the 2nd half of the referendum because NT has no vote under the constitution.

If Northern Territory was a state, then the YES vote would be a chance in this referendum.

Not entirely true, there are few Aboriginal Tasmanians by partial descent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboriginal_Tasmanians

Truganini was considered the last born Tasmanian Aboriginal. Aboriginal people were shipped in by Batman from Sydney before and after. Batman used Mainland Aboriginals to kill the remaining Tasmanian Aboriginals.

Hence, the Tasmanian historians are currently campaigning to have 'Batman's" name removed from landmarks. Although he did not initiate the killings, he is now viewed like King Leopold in Tasmanian history.

From the very link you posted.

"Two individuals, Truganini (1812–1876) and Fanny Cochrane Smith (1834–1905), are separately considered to have been the last people solely of Tasmanian descent."

When we lived in Tasmania, were we taught Truganini was the last of her kind.

When I was young, there was a family named Mansell in the community who also claim to be part aboriginal.

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Albanese campaigning in the state of Tasmania.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-31/albanese-spends-first-campaign-day-in-hobart/102797868
A state with essentially an aboriginal population of zero, Albanese is confident Tasmania will vote YES.

It will be interesting to see if Albanese visits the Aboriginal villages in outback Northern Territory, the most populated Aboriginal region in Australia who are disqualified from the 2nd half of the referendum because NT has no vote under the constitution.

If Northern Territory was a state, then the YES vote would be a chance in this referendum.

Not entirely true, there are few Aboriginal Tasmanians by partial descent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboriginal_Tasmanians

Truganini was considered the last born Tasmanian Aboriginal. Aboriginal people were shipped in by Batman from Sydney before and after. Batman used Mainland Aboriginals to kill the remaining Tasmanian Aboriginals.

Hence, the Tasmanian historians are currently campaigning to have 'Batmans" name removed from landmarks. Although he did not initiate the killings, he is now viewed like King Leopold in Tasmanian history.

From the very link you posted.

"Two individuals, Truganini (1812–1876) and Fanny Cochrane Smith (1834–1905), are separately considered to have been the last people solely of Tasmanian descent."

When we lived in Tasmania, were we taught Truganini was the last of her kind.

When I was young, there was a family named Mansell in the community who also claim to be part aboriginal.

I thought "Batman" was a nickname. Looked it up. Nope!

Batman wasn't the guy who initiated the killings. Truth be told, a lot of Tasmanian Aboriginals died from foreign imported diseases.

The killing by the British of the Tasmanian Aboriginals was thought to have been initiated by a military leader in Hobart following the deflowering of his daughter by the locals.

Batman is thought to be the one of the Governor's responsible for killing a lot of Tasmanian Aboriginals with his mainland posse.

The 'Black Line' was a technique of dividing state into two parts to hunt down any remaining locals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_War

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Tasmanian Aboriginal person, Rebecca Digney, gives her opinion on behalf of her 'mob' in Tasmania about the Voice referendum.


Aboriginal Land Council of Tasmania manager Rebecca Digney says changing the Constitution should be for something "much more worthy" like a treaty.(ABC News: Erin Cooper Photo:Examiner Launceston)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-01/why-eyes-are-on-tasmania-as-a-swing-state-in-voice-referendum/102797724

Rebecca said "If the government is going to recognise our rights, one of the fundamental rights they need to recognise is our right to be self-determining."

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It's becoming difficult to find people who like the concept of the Voice to Parliament.

Warren Mundine

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CwjnfP-PaAZ/

All Australian's are really keen for Aboriginal education, health and economic conditions to improve, but it appears that the majority of people are not buying Albo's direction on this occasion.

Will wait and see the result.

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It's becoming difficult to find people who like the concept of the Voice to Parliament.

So difficult! Other than the entire Labor party, most crossbenchers, 80-90% of Aboriginals, and ~45% of the general public who even likes the Voice?

I hope you are right. We will wait on the result and see.

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Annabel Crabb shares her thoughts on the referendum.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-03/voice-referendum-vote-on-102-words-stay-out-of-weeds/102800166


There are two cases being made for a Yes vote, and two for the No vote. (AAP: James Ross)

She talks about the 1967 Referendum. Annabel writes:

"Since Federation, section 51 of the Constitution had empowered the federal government to make special laws that affected only members of a certain race. It's known as "the race power". It was drafted specifically to allow the government to make discriminatory laws. And it's still there.

But Indigenous Australians were expressly excluded from that section. Until the 1967 referendum removed the words in bold, section 51 empowered the government to make laws regarding "the people of any race, other than the aboriginal race in any State, for whom it is deemed necessary to make special laws".

Meanwhile, Peter Dutton said he will hold a 2nd referendum if the vote fails.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-03/peter-dutton-pledges-second-referendum-if-voice-fails/102808598


Peter Dutton insists the Coalition has long been committed to Indigenous recognition in the constitution despite failing to hold a referendum when in government. (ABC News: Matt Roberts)

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John Farnham

You're The Voice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnWr-9r1LJE

Johnny has given permission for the YES campaign to use his song to advance their cause.

An amazing theme song, one best used in the movie 'Hot Rod'. Johnny had just finished singing with Little River Band, and then had to go out on his own, and somehow got his hands on this classic.

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John Farnham

You're The Voice Advertisement

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CwwBnDHv0Xq/

Interestingy, the lyrics are:

"You're the Voice,
Try And Understand It"

The biggest complaint about the Voice Referendum is most people do not understand it.

Johnny Howard got a guernsey with gun control and Nicky Winmar lifted his. Cathy Freeman also got a showing.

Undeniably, a great theme song.

Ben Fordham listeners clearly do not agree and have said that John Farnham would normalpy not get involved in a controversial issue, least of all a political one.

You're The Voice Feedback

https://omny.fm/shows/ben-fordham-full-show/massive-backlash-john-farnham-ad-divides-australia%F0%9F%8E%A7

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They are around 30% of Australia's prison population for example, despite being around 3% of the general population, and around 10 years less in life expectancy.

In Western Australia, Aboriginal persons made up 3,115 out of 6,247 people in jail in 2022.

The 'mob' occupy 49.8% of the entire jail system from a state population averaging only 3.2% Aboriginal.

In the community of Roebourne, for example, 30% of the male population are registered child sex offenders.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/roebourne-western-australia-paedophile-epidemic-child-sex-abuse-simon-mcgurk-a7951946.html

"The confirmed victims amount to about 90 per cent of the town's school-age population."

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Guardian/Essential

Yes 42 (-1)
No 48 (+1)

Newspoll

Yes 38
No 53

https://omny.fm/shows/ben-fordham-full-show/disaster-zone-voice-support-crashing-in-latest-new

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Not sure about those Communists.

Teela Reid

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CukLQbHuCWt/

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Will the two football codes, AFL and NRL have a political bent towards the YES campaign in their biggest game of the year?

Ben Fordham explains the issue.

NRL and AFL Grand Finals

https://omny.fm/shows/ben-fordham-full-show/voiceless-afl-backs-away-from-promoting-referendum%F0%9F%8E%A7

Sportsfans hate politics at their Grand Final. Collingwood fans are going to hate it if it gets brought up.

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10 quick questions concerning the Voice.

Ch 10 - Narelda Jacobs

https://fb.watch/mYiggA5v0I/

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Noel Pearson shares his ideas on the Voice.

Ben Fordham 2GB

https://fb.watch/mYDSYCy7xf/

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Former WA Premier Colin Barnett will vote 'YES'.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-10/colin-barnett-reveals-position-on-indigenous-voice-referendum/102822906


Colin Barnett oversaw Australia’s largest native title settlement. (Four Corners: Craig Hansen)

"I think the question is flawed, but I will vote Yes because I don't want to stand in the way of the aspirations of Aboriginal Australians."

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Honest question: Why doesn't Australia make a treaty with Aborigines the way the US, NZ, and Canada have done with their First Nations? That seems like a more substantial offering without the bad taste of a mostly symbolic race-based legislative body.

This is why some Aboriginal peoples are voting "No". They want a full effort, not just an advisory committee setup by white left-wing silver tail fruit loops living in a leafy "$3M a house" street relieving themselves of some perceived guilt for their existence in a colonial state.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-11/voice-referendum-australia-answers-complicated-four-corners/102832900


Ben Abbatangelo is voting No.(Four Corners: Dylan Anderson)

Ben Abbatangelo's view on the Voice to Parliament has moved from a reluctant Yes to a hard-edged No.

"It's not born out of black ambition … it's born out of what's acceptable for constitutional conservatives," he says of the referendum to be held on October 14.

"The idea that the people who stole this land, and then who directly benefited from it, are now going to a referendum to think about recognising the people they stole it off is insane."

And rural older Australian's are voting "No" as well.

From the article....

Whilst Tony Seabrook acknowledges the challenges some Indigenous people face, he's a firm No voter.

"We don't need to embed this in our constitution in such a way that it creates a rift. You're going to have a large part of the population now seen as an isolated group of people with privileges other people don't [have]," he says.


Tony is voting No.(Four Corners)

Tony runs a cropping and livestock operation at York, 90 kilometres east of Perth.

"My grandkids are generation number eight. I have a very deep sense of attachment to my piece of country."

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Federal Member for Moore, Ian Goodenough is campaigning for his constituents to vote NO.

https://www.aph.gov.au/Senators_and_Members/Parliamentarian?MPID=74046


Ian Goodenough MP taking time to talk to Joondalup locals (Iangoodenough.com.au)

Ian said today:

"Soon you will be asked to decide whether to change our Constitution and create a permanent Indigenous Voice to Parliament.

This referendum is not just about “Indigenous recognition”. Both major parties support that. Recognition could happen without tying it to a risky Voice.

We all want to help Indigenous Australians in disadvantaged communities. However, this risky Voice is not the answer.

Changing our Constitution is a big decision, yet Labor refuses to provide basic details before the vote. We don’t know how members of the Voice would be chosen or how it would operate. We also don’t know how much it would cost.

This is legally risky, with unknown consequences. And any changes will be permanent."

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Senator Jacinta Price at the National Press Club today detailing the abuse, threats and vilification she has endured during this process.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-14/senator-jacinta-nampijinpa-price-at-press-club/102855698


Senator Jacinta Price (Facebook)

"[The Voice] is built on lies and an aggressive attempt to fracture our nation's founding document and divide the country built upon it," she said.

"That division has now seen the no campaign branded as being base racism."

She said Indigenous Australians already have a voice as she is one of 11 Indigenous voices — politicians — currently in parliament.

"I will not accept the lie, the rationalisation of many Indigenous voices of the Yes campaign, who suggest our democratically elected voices are redundant because we belong to political parties," she said.

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National Press Club Full Address

Senator Jacinta Price

https://www.youtube.com/live/hrinfhtFDlc

Interesting analysis on colonisation of Australia.

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The degree to which many Australians, Canadians, and New Zealanders have been so rapidly convinced that their colonization of essentially unsettled lands and establishment of great outposts of civilization there was wrong baffles me.

But I'm a convict.

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Linda Burney replies to Jacinta Price's speech on colonisation.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-15/linda-burney-feels-betrayed-by-price-colonisation-comments/102859658


Minister for Indigenous Australians Linda Burney says she has been treated "appallingly" during the debate of the Voice. (ABC News: Nick Haggarty)

"The idea that colonisation in any country where there's been a colonisation process doesn't have long and far-reaching effects is simply wrong," she said.

At the start of the Voice referendum process, Linda Burney lost her voice coincidentally.