Should interracial marriages be allowed?

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Option 1...

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By the way, I should add that I don't believe in "race."  There's only one race: the human race.  Anything else is simply insignificant differences.

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I used to think that some people who were against interracial marriage were good, but badly misguided people.  You changed my mind.  You're just racist.

For AuH2O... a conservative organization's view on race:
http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i1/distinction.asp

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Racial differences are irrelevant and insignificant.  In all reality there is only one human "race."  Just because one person has darker skin than someone else doesn't mean they are fundamentally different, and should be grouped differently, or not be allowed to inter-marry.

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Um yeah whites and blacks are both homo sapiens, i.e. the same species.

BUT, the subgroups of homo sapiens are VERY different from one another. Some people don't even accept that obvious fact.

Once you do, there still is the question of how it is relevant. I think it's relevant in many ways, but PC gets in the way.

Oh?  How's it relevant?

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I think the cultural differences between the races are far more significant than the biological differences.

The biggest difference is in the way we think.  In our society, blacks and whites think completely differently.  That is a gap far bigger than any biological difference.

I agree that cultural differences far outweigh any biological differences, because biological differences are trivial and insignificant.

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dazzle: do you want to discuss the science? I am more than prepared to do so. You might "think" one thing, but like Ebowed, and like a lot of people, you believe it because you've been told that by the media.

I don't base my opinions on the media.  If I find something in the media I agree with I'm free to post it.

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Race is not skin-deep, and actually there are physical differences between the races that are visible in terms of professional and olympic sports.

Some blacks are better than some whites at sports.  What's your point?  There are plenty of blacks who are no good at sports.

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So you're saying blacks are stupid?

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Certainly there are many exceptions.  In fact, so many that your ideas aren't justified.

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Yeah, let's just generalize.

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AuH2O is one of those people, it seems, who believes blacks commit more crimes because of their very nature as blacks, not because of the poor environments that many of them come from.

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It can easily be proven blacks are more likely to commit violent crimes.

Source?

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Yeah, like "it can be easily proven," with no further discussion.  Great evidence, racist.

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Also note that the crime issue can easily be proven statistically with only the FBI uniform crime report and income data with racial AND gender breakdowns. Anyone with an IQ above 50 should see as much once they examine the data; tragically, I'm not sure anyone disagreeing with me on that issue meets the qualification.

Considering you're a racist scumbag who is about 50 years behind the times, I wouldn't be assuming people's IQ's if I were you.  As I said, race has nothing to do with crime.  It's all about environment.  Sadly, blacks live in more oppressive, urban, and poor environments, where crime happens more often.  Don't be stupid.

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Fine, you want evidence, I'll give you some evidence. With some explanation of course.

But no one will actually take a rational look at the data. That is a 100% certainty.

In other words, you're afraid to post your evidence.

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It will be a few minutes. I changed my mind-- please continue to attack me rather than at least wait to see what I most post.

Your maturity is impressive.

"I wish they'd shut up so I can find some website that says 50% of crimes were commited by blacks!" is what you are probably thinking.

Just post these links and then people may stop attacking you.  Maybe.  Otherwise you'll appear like you're still searching for the links.

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It will be a few minutes. I changed my mind-- please continue to attack me rather than at least wait to see what I most post.

Your maturity is impressive.

"I wish they'd shut up so I can find some website that says 50% of crimes were commited by blacks!" is what you are probably thinking.

Just post these links and then people may stop attacking you.  Maybe.  Otherwise you'll appear like you're still searching for the links.

Um, no. It takes a while to dig stuff up you haven't looked at recently.

Considering that he's been talking about this evidence for quite a while now, I have to wonder what's taking so long.  When he replies "I have the evidence but none of you are rational enough to analyze it," suspicions will arise.

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I am a conservative, not a politically correct liberal.  So please keep that in mind.

I liked all of your post, dazzleman, except this part.  Certainly not all Democrats, or liberals, are "politically correct."  I haven't mentioned this in any threads on this board, but I happen to be a huge opponent of Internet filtering in schools and libraries, and censorship on television, which as far as I know isn't politically correct.  Throwing around terms like "politically correct," when not applicable, is dangerous in these sorts of debates.

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Crime Data
FBI Uniform Crime Report, 2003
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm

2003, Section IV

note on data: since hispanic is not a race, many are included in the "white" crime rates, thus skewing them to the left. The number of non-hispanic whites is roughly 5.4 times the population of blacks in the US. Using that number will actually underestimate black crime rates because of the aforementioned hispanic confusion of the data, but nevertheless the data is statistically significant.

Arrests by race

Murder
white: 49.1%
black: 48.5%

-- Blacks are slightly more than 5 times more likely than whites to commit murder.

Larceny (theft)
white: 68.5%
black: 28.8%

-- after a ratio adjustment, blacks are still more likely to commit larceny, but the rate is far lower. If economic factors drive crime, then in theory blacks should be even more likely to steal than they do.

Aggravated Assault
white: 64.7%
black: 33%

-- This contradicts the idea blacks are simply in a more violent environment as an explanation for their murder rate. They are more likely to commit assault, by roughly 2.7 times, but nowhere near their proclivity in terms of murder rates.

Drunk Driving
white: 88%
black: 9.6%

-- Used to demonstrate the data is not somehow biased against blacks; in fact, as we will see, quite the opposite-- it is probably biased in their favor overall.

Now, in terms of the idea blacks commit more crime because they are more often in poverty:

2004 US Census Press Release

REALLY LONG LINK THAT STRECTHED THE PAGE (thanks!)

Whites account for 44% of Americans in "poverty." Taking into account black population size at the time of the census, roughly 8.6 million blacks were in poverty; slightly less than hispanics and only slightly more than half the number of whites in poverty.

Taking into account the Uniform Crime Report's inclusion of hispanics into their "white" dataset, the property crime rates seem to follow the above numbers.

In other words, it is not surprising that 28.9% of forgery arrests were made on black offenders; though they make up roughly ~25% of those in poverty, that is a fairly small difference.

The inconsistencies emerge with regard to violent crimes. Blacks, for instance, again commit ~29% of arsons designed to attack property-- but 37% committed for violent purposes.

Blacks commit 23.9% of non-rape sex offenses, which again is higher per capita than whites but not unreasonable given poverty rates. However, they commit 33.3% of forcible rapes, well above the expected number.

If anyone is interested in intelligent discussion, which I doubt, the topic is more than suitable.

Thanks for the statistics, now what did you prove?  That blacks commit more crimes in proportion to whites?  Okay now... hmm... nope, no biological reasons that make blacks inferior to whites, or make them unsuitable for inter-racial marriage.  Huh.  What do you know.

Let me tell you something.  Just because blacks make up a smaller amount of poverty in the U.S. than whites doesn't mean that they still live in urban and aggressive environments where crime is better nurtured.  The fact is, blacks come from worse neighborhoods than whites on average, and that just makes for a better influence of crime.  Poverty is only ONE factor.

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Exactly as I predicted. Presenting a few stats to some of these idiots is like asking a monkey to run a nuclear power plant.

Fine, whatever, I know some people are just worthless and thus not really worth my time.

You're very mature.

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Because not every issue is black and white.  Things don't go equally across the board, much like not all blacks are sports superstars.

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Why don't you just respond to his point?  Sorry if you have to waste time dealing with "things like" me, I understand us ignorant retards who think blacks and whites can marry aren't worth your time.

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Yeah but keep in mind, I was trying to make it so that even Ebowed (OK, maybe not him) could understand it without difficulty.

It's always good for you to personally insult my intelligence when you're losing an argument.

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You didn't respond to my answer.  Not every issue is black and white.  Certain types of crime are better influenced than others in certain environments.