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nicholas.slaydon
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« on: May 18, 2016, 01:36:08 AM »

Seriously fellow democrats, the party really needs to come together

This is one of the most ridiculous Pro-Clinton arguments I have ever heard. There is no such thing as "Party Unity" when there IS a REAL DIVIDE in the party when it comes to policy. So let me ask you a question. How can a party EVER come together when there are differences in policy between two factions? Do you just expect members of the opposite faction of the party to lay down and vote for the evil they have been fighting against the entire primary season?  The party can never come together until there is total alignment between the two factions of the party, because if there are multiple ideological factions of a political party that is literally the exact opposite of the definition of unity.
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nicholas.slaydon
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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2016, 01:46:29 AM »

I deeply regret having to say this, but it appears that I was right all along. This really HAS gotten way out of hand and it is much worse than it ever was in 2008. Sanders and his supporters are the best chance that Trump has of winning the presidency.

Bernie didn't make Hillary be a sh**tty candidate.

No, it was you idiots who kept repeating it over and over again, ad nauseum, that made it appear to be so.

Roll Eyes

She's so weak that some powerless Bernie supporters got her to poll several points worse than Bernie in the general election?
The main reason why she is polling weaker is that so many Sanders supporters currently refuse to support Clinton due to various lies being spread about her.

Lies spread about her? What lies? You mean like she takes money from Private Prisons, The Fossil Fuel Lobby, The Pharmaceutical Lobby, Wall Street Banks and Investment Firms, she got paid $225,000 for a speech to Goldman Sachs, she took money from Authoritarian Dictators as secretary of state, then proceeded to give them weapons deals, she supported the Iraq War, The Patriot Act, The Gramm-Leach Bliley Act, The Syrian Intervention, The Libyan Intervention, The Arab Spring, she supported NAFTA, CAFTA and other free trade deals, changes her position on various issues due to wherever the political winds are moving i.e. gay marriage, 2001 Bankruptcy Reform, Single Payer Healthcare, The Iran Deal,  Relations with Cuba etc.

Wait, last i checked those were not "Lies" those were FACTS.
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nicholas.slaydon
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« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2016, 02:03:03 AM »

Seriously fellow democrats, the party really needs to come together

This is one of the most ridiculous Pro-Clinton arguments I have ever heard. There is no such thing as "Party Unity" when there IS a REAL DIVIDE in the party when it comes to policy. So let me ask you a question. How can a party EVER come together when there are differences in policy between two factions? Do you just expect members of the opposite faction of the party to lay down and vote for the evil they have been fighting against the entire primary season?  The party can never come together until there is total alignment between the two factions of the party, because if there are multiple ideological factions of a political party that is literally the exact opposite of the definition of unity.

In a word, yes, we do expect you to just lay down. Because the truth is, that's what happens when you lose. What is more, the other candidate from the same party is usually not "evil" (Roll Eyes), and the policy divides you point to are at most extremely minimal. Y

ou must realize that most of the current schism is not over policy. It has been caused by cheap shots at Hillary's character. There's a reason why most Hillary supporters are welcoming of Sanders while so many Sanders supporters seem to hate Hillary: Sanders has been stoking fires and alleging corruption; Hillary hasn't.

The "rift" only exists because one candidate resorted to using the GOP's playbook, and it's a f-cking shame. Because it thanks to you folks spreading sh-t about Hillary being "evil" that the real antagonist could very well end up winning it all in November.

You expect me to lay down and vote for a corrupt politician just because my candidate lost?
I don't know what kind of world you live in when you expect people to just lie down and vote for a lesser evil and for GREATER corruption.
As to what you said about policy. There are VERY substantial differences in policy for example, Hillary Clinton supports more hawkish intervention in foreign countries i.e. "No-Fly Zone in Syria", that is a difference in policy substance, she doesn't support universal single payer healthcare, she doesn't support free college tuition at public colleges and universities, that is a policy difference, She doesn't support raising the minimum wage to $15 dollars an hour etc. those are POLICY difference's.

And also to what you said about "Cheap shots at Hillary's character". I have no idea what "cheap shots" you're talking about. Every criticism of Hillary's "alleged" corruption is substantive, like her Wall Street speech's and failure to release them to the public, her changing her mind when it came to 2001 Bankruptcy Reform, when she took money from dictators and foreign governments as SOS and then proceeded to give weapons deals to Terror States like Saudi Arabia, when she lobbied for free trade deals as SOS and as First Lady which gave corporations more options to outsource jobs to low wage countries, these are not baseless accusations, these are accusations based in FACT.
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