11 year old rape victim forced to carry to term thanks to Ohio law.

[Dr. Arch]

I'm sorry, but anyone who believes that an 11-year-old rape victim should not have the unquestioned right to an abortion either gets off on cruelty or has a completely misguided sense of morality. In other words, you are a bad person. Reflect on yourself, and what morality even means. Morals aren't rules or laws - if only they were so simple.

[Dr. Arch]

I'm sorry, but anyone who believes that an 11-year-old rape victim should not have the unquestioned right to an abortion either gets off on cruelty or has a completely misguided sense of morality. In other words, you are a bad person. Reflect on yourself, and what morality even means. Morals aren't rules or laws - if only they were so simple.

And what if the unborn child actually IS a human being?

Morals aren't rules or laws; this is true.  But innocent human life ought to be inviolate.

Until the fetus has developed a discernible central nervous system (around the end of the first trimester), the organism is nothing more than a bunch of essentially unconnected cells in development and without sentience.

This is why a first trimester limit with exceptions is the most common sense position.

[Dr. Arch]

I'm sorry, but anyone who believes that an 11-year-old rape victim should not have the unquestioned right to an abortion either gets off on cruelty or has a completely misguided sense of morality. In other words, you are a bad person. Reflect on yourself, and what morality even means. Morals aren't rules or laws - if only they were so simple.

And what if the unborn child actually IS a human being?

Morals aren't rules or laws; this is true.  But innocent human life ought to be inviolate.

Until the fetus has developed a discernible central nervous system (around the end of the first trimester), the organism is nothing more than a bunch of essentially unconnected cells in development and without sentience.

This is why a first trimester limit with exceptions is the most common sense position.

You were in that position once.  Why were you not worthy to live at that point?  Would it have been OK for someone to kill you at that point in human development in a way that made you feel physical pain?

That's what abortion is.  We've sanitized it a lot, but that's what it is. 

I was not "me," then. It was just a cluster of cells with no unifying system and no sentience.

Your observation reflects a clear misunderstanding of the developmental process.

[Dr. Arch]

I'm sorry, but anyone who believes that an 11-year-old rape victim should not have the unquestioned right to an abortion either gets off on cruelty or has a completely misguided sense of morality. In other words, you are a bad person. Reflect on yourself, and what morality even means. Morals aren't rules or laws - if only they were so simple.

I can live with being a bad person if it means the children of rape victims don't get the death penalty.   

Sure, this position is "anti-empathy," just as opposing the death penalty for murder is.   There would seem to be nothing less empathetic than opposing the death penalty for a murderer, since you are making those victims' families know that their loved one's killer is still alive, and preventing the feeling of closure that comes with the sacrifice of the offender's blood. And yet many people still hold this position because they believe that a life has value no matter the deed or circumstance, and that true healing might be found in something other than responding to violence with violence.

Potential for life is not sentient life until it reaches that stage of development. Then, the discussion bares scrutiny. Until that point, it is a bunch of cell clusters, fertilized or not.

What this law does is barbaric and, moreso, an affront not only to science, but civilized society as a whole.

The arguments from the people supporting this law are all grounded on a basic lack of comprehension of what the fetal development process is. Of course, like many other political positions in the Republican party of today, it requires a suspension of critical thought, which you are all practicing skillfully.

It's not only prior to the first trimester; it's an eleven year old girl; and not only that, she's also a rape victim; and not only that, but it was also perpetrated by an adult.

This is beyond the line.

It's as curious as it is stupefying that Democrats are expected to always to tow the center, while Republicans continue to radicalize exponentially.

I don't know what kind of conversation could ever be had when the opposition is this far detached from common sense and understanding.

[Dr. Arch]

That's terrible. I haven't read 11 pages of discussion, but she should be allowed to have an abortion in another state such as NY or CA (or IL?).

If I were her parents, I would definitely move out and never look back at such a backwards state.

[Dr. Arch]

This sucks. Everyone who participated in this abortion has had their autism level go up by 1!💯

What's the equivalent of that in N of vaccines?   

[Dr. Arch]

Of all this discussion, it's all the mindless and puerile sanctifying, while ignoring the science behind conception and gestation that really annoys me.

It's why I disengage immediately from the conversation. The discussion happens in bad faith, and there's no way of convincing the opposition of anything because they've already decided to dismiss the facts.

And all this is before considering the obvious move to control women even further. They won't stop at a total ban of abortion. They'll go on to birth control (see this happening in some states already), sex education, so on and so forth.

[Dr. Arch]

Of all this discussion, it's all the mindless and puerile sanctifying, while ignoring the science behind conception and gestation that really annoys me.

It's why I disengage immediately from the conversation. The discussion happens in bad faith, and there's no way of convincing the opposition of anything because they've already decided to dismiss the facts.

And all this is before considering the obvious move to control women even further. They won't stop at a total ban of abortion. They'll go on to birth control (see this happening in some states already), sex education, so on and so forth.

This, of course, is not true.  But for the Feminist Left, this is a power issue.  Girl Power is more important than the Humanity of the Unborn to the Feminist Left.  They've made this clear over the decades.

Regardless of whether you think that first sentence is true, the rest of that bolded statement absolutely is. It's already happening.