Socially Conservative Democrats Unite!

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I was for a time until that position became truly untenable in the era of BLM and trigger warnings.

I actually like Jim Webb a lot, but he polled at 1% in the party for a reason.

I ended up concluding it's easier pushing the GOP to move to the center on economic issues than to pushing the Democrats to move to the center on social issues.

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Interesting. I would assume this would mostly be about abortion, euthanasia, and (maybe) drugs? Could you explain what social conservatism entails? I am by no means socially conservative, but I always like to hear other opinions.

Someone pointed out they were RELATIVELY conservative. So yeah, people who were really skeptical of conservatives who tried to wipe sex out in the 1990's...and now skeptical of liberal feminists who want to wipe sex out. People who were skeptical of firebrand preachers telling gays how to live their lives in the 1990's...and now skeptical of gays telling preachers how to live their life. Affirmative action often tends to be another base breaker issue. I wouldn't call myself conservative on many social issues, but I would definitely be wildly outside the Democrat norm on almost every single one.

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This thread is so 2007-Atlas feeling.

Welcome to the future. We're taking our country back.

MAGA.

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How many of you are also pro-protectionism and supported Jim Webb?

I supported Webb, but I'm sort of a free trader. I support NAFTA and a comprehensive FTA with the EU, but I oppose free trade with non-Western countries. I also support limited trade agreements with Asian countries to protect intellectual property and counterbalance China's economic and political influence, but not comprehensive free trade.

I got to say, I'm pretty protectionist, and don't support NAFTA.

I was just wondering if protectionism came hand in hand with social conservatism in Democrats.

I think caring more about economic issues than which college student was fat-shamed for zher otherkin lifestyle often comes hand-in-hand with social conservatism in Democrats.

I actually have a very traditional liberal stance on trade. They're often good, but we need to make sure trade is linked with workers rights, environmental rights, human rights, etc. There is no reason why for example, the US should be making an FTA with Vietnam (as it will in the TPP).

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How many of you are also pro-protectionism and supported Jim Webb?

I supported Webb, but I'm sort of a free trader. I support NAFTA and a comprehensive FTA with the EU, but I oppose free trade with non-Western countries. I also support limited trade agreements with Asian countries to protect intellectual property and counterbalance China's economic and political influence, but not comprehensive free trade.

I got to say, I'm pretty protectionist, and don't support NAFTA.

I was just wondering if protectionism came hand in hand with social conservatism in Democrats.

I think caring more about economic issues than which college student was fat-shamed for zher otherkin lifestyle often comes hand-in-hand with social conservatism in Democrats.

I actually have a very traditional liberal stance on trade. They're often good, but we need to make sure trade is linked with workers rights, environmental rights, human rights, etc. There is no reason why for example, the US should be making an FTA with Vietnam (as it will in the TPP).

Yes.  I think that's what sets us apart from many Republicans.  We are in a party that is economically better for us, but possibly not socially in line with us.

...and many Democrats, like the man who worked with a GOP Congress to get TPA for the TPP and the woman who negotiated it.

It's why I have such contempt for Hillary Clinton - she is not on line on any issue with me.

[Derpist]

How many of you are also pro-protectionism and supported Jim Webb?

I supported Webb, but I'm sort of a free trader. I support NAFTA and a comprehensive FTA with the EU, but I oppose free trade with non-Western countries. I also support limited trade agreements with Asian countries to protect intellectual property and counterbalance China's economic and political influence, but not comprehensive free trade.

I got to say, I'm pretty protectionist, and don't support NAFTA.

I was just wondering if protectionism came hand in hand with social conservatism in Democrats.

I think caring more about economic issues than which college student was fat-shamed for zher otherkin lifestyle often comes hand-in-hand with social conservatism in Democrats.

I actually have a very traditional liberal stance on trade. They're often good, but we need to make sure trade is linked with workers rights, environmental rights, human rights, etc. There is no reason why for example, the US should be making an FTA with Vietnam (as it will in the TPP).

Yes.  I think that's what sets us apart from many Republicans.  We are in a party that is economically better for us, but possibly not socially in line with us.

...and many Democrats, like the man who worked with a GOP Congress to get TPA for the TPP and the woman who negotiated it.

It's why I have such contempt for Hillary Clinton - she is not on line on any issue with me.

She's a run-of-the-mill tax and spend liberal proposing more regulation of business; seems like you'd be right in line with her economically.

I have some problems with the generic Democrat stance on these issues. First, more regulation is not always the answer because most business regulation is written by the corporations anyways (regulatory capture). A lot of corporations love using regulation to wipe out their small business competitors. So I'd rather hike taxes on Wall Street than more strenuously regulate them.

Second, tax and spend doesn't work unless you're convinced people you are spending the money well. In the world of public sector unions and crony capitalism, I do not think people are convinced yet. New government programs should be supported by a cross-cultural, cross-region, cross-race coalition or else it just seems like taking from one people and giving to another and it's divisive and awful. One of my greatest political heroes is Huey Long, because he united both blacks and whites, in the era of Jim Crow no less, in pursuit of a common economic cause. So I do want more public healthcare, public education, public infrastructure, but we need to spend the money we're already spending more efficiently. The stimulus was really the antithesis of this.

Also, I think we need to pay for these programs and this is not what the corporate Keynesian establishment believes in, on either side.

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People here get really hung up over labels, huh?

In a sense, I have to admit it is a little hypocritical for us to make fun of Tumblr's 96 gender identities.