Elizabeth Warren 2020 campaign megathread

[Shadows]

What would become of her Senate seat?

Republicans would take it thanks to Gov. Baker !

[Shadows]

Wasn't Warren a registered Republican till mid 90s? Did she support Reagan the person who literally waged a war on poor people & encouraged racial polarization.

Her platform is good but unattainable. Public Option for Drugs is not just unimplementable but would violate multiple international norms of trade. Warren wasn't even supporting Universal Healthcare a year or so back but now is trying to suddenly come up with half a dozen policies to gather the Sanders' space. She will have to explain everything including her support for the military industrial complex & 700B $ in defence budget & so on.

[Shadows]

Wasn't Warren a registered Republican till mid 90s? Did she support Reagan the person who literally waged a war on poor people & encouraged racial polarization.

Her platform is good but unattainable. Public Option for Drugs is not just unimplementable but would violate multiple international norms of trade. Warren wasn't even supporting Universal Healthcare a year or so back but now is trying to suddenly come up with half a dozen policies to gather the Sanders' space. She will have to explain everything including her support for the military industrial complex & 700B $ in defence budget & so on.

Is this what you’ll be doing to anyone who can threaten Bernie’s coalition? I thought she was a Bernie ally now she’s a demon to y’all.

Elizabeth Warren was a phenomenal Senator, possible 3rd most progressive after Sanders & Merkley. She is a much better candidate than Booker or Harris or Beto from the point of enacting progressive legislation. And to be honest Beto or Harris or Booker seem atleast a shade more progressive than Clinton in 2016.

This is not 2016 & the standards are high. This isn't about who is progressive because quite a few will be but overall from everything to authenticity to electability to charisma etc. Primaries are were everything will be scrutinised including Sanders who has also been  attacked relentlessly.

In the GE, Warren vs Trump is an easy choice. Real change is possible in primaries. This is not an open field of Warren vs Trump & no scrutiny. Everyone will get their deserved criticism.

[Shadows]

Wasn't Warren a registered Republican till mid 90s? Did she support Reagan the person who literally waged a war on poor people & encouraged racial polarization.

Her platform is good but unattainable. Public Option for Drugs is not just unimplementable but would violate multiple international norms of trade. Warren wasn't even supporting Universal Healthcare a year or so back but now is trying to suddenly come up with half a dozen policies to gather the Sanders' space. She will have to explain everything including her support for the military industrial complex & 700B $ in defence budget & so on.

But instead, you had people being pressed on HRC being a Goldwater girl.

I was wondering why this post went unanswered:

So does Warren have to answer why she was a Republican well into her 40’s like Hillary had to explain being a low information Goldwater Girl following her father in high school?

Warren was their girl when they didn’t have a credible candidate to take on Hillary in 2016.

Hillary Clinton running unopposed vs Hillary Clinton & Elizabeth Warren  is a no brainer. Warren would have been a great candidate in 2016 not just because no one was running. This is not 2016 anymore though.

It is overall very VERY good through that Warren is running with strong progressive policies some of which are brand new. There will be a competition of ideas & this will push the Dem party left.

Can you imagine Schumer or Pelosi etc watching these debates & atleast trying to grasp how left the presidential contenders are. At least till Iowa having more progressive candidates is very good. And everyone deserves to make their case !

[Shadows]

Good legislation but Warren will still be a terrible President. It is not the  job of the President to provide minor details of every single legislation.

Anyways what is interesting is her fundraising. Will show how long she will survive.

[Shadows]

I'm voting warren now. Bernie lost me when he said he wouldn't abolish the filibuster. How else does he expect to get single payer/free college etc.?

Neither Sanders not Warren can abolish the filibuster. Not even half the Democrats in the Senate are ready to do so.

Unlike Warren Sanders is a smart politician & knows this kind of reckless talk of abolishing the filibuster before even the 1st primary debate helps no-one. That talk comes when Democrats have atleast 53-55 odd votes & out of those 45-50 odd are super progressive Senators who are ready to abolish the filibuster to push through progressive legislation.

Warren has pushed like a dozen policy ideas none of which have much support or have got buzz like Medicare for all or 15$ Min Wage or Free Tuition has. None of her proposals will pass & she has no idea.

Anyways she is a good candidate & her voice is needed in the debate stage to make her ideas heard even though he has no grassroots support & has no chance of winning & has terrible political instincts.

[Shadows]

My point is that if she calls out Biden for his record, he could just say, "well at least I was a Democrat." She needs to preempt that by owning up to it.

Dawg she was a private citizen then. She reevaluated and changed course. There's nothing really to apologize for.

Yes absolutely. But if you voted for Ronald Reagan she should absolutely be disqualified in the mids of Dems voters.

Reagan was 100 times worse than Trump & he is the reason why there is someone like Trump today.

[Shadows]

Warren is in 3rd spot in Iowa, NH & SC. In atleast Iowa & NH, she is causing Biden to win by being in the race.

Will progressives call for Warren to drop out to stop Biden? It is only fair since a lot of atlas folks were asking Sanders to step down when Warren was ahead in a couple of polls.

[Shadows]

Warren is the only candidate with no questions asked by any candidate. Sanders doesn't ask him that he had no sympathy for Medicareforall & only supported in last moment after most Presidential candidates had already done or about her hawkish stances & promoting endless wars or voting for massive military budgets.

The moderates don't attack her for her temperament or unelectability vs Trump in a GE. She has gotten a free pass. Sanders has to answer the tough questions of Medicare for all & she can just say sweet words about structural change..

[Shadows]

The Bernie Bros ^TM will say anything to ruin Warren

Yes, because every single Sanders supporter absolutely despises Warren.

The vast majority of his supporters would be pretty happy with Warren. But keep painting us with the same brush; it worked out well three years ago.

He didn’t say Sanders supporters. He said Bernie Bros and they are absolutely grilling Warren simply for not being their God.

They like to throw stones from glass houses. If Warren had voted for the 1994 crime bill, to deregulate the derivatives market, to give gun manufacturers legal immunity, or against immigration reform, they would absolutely excorciate her over it.

Given her being a Republican then, she would have probably voted for it. She did something worse. She stood by & cheered & supported the Republican party a it slashed taxes from 70% to 28% odd, gutted all regulations, engaged in racial hostility against African Americans, gutted trade unions, appointed people like Thomas & on & on & on.

And she supported the Republican party all this while because she was worried about government taking an activist role. She was a hard right winger then.

And she still voted for 700B $ for the military to wage war all around the war. And then she hopped on the Medicare-for-all bandwagon when she was running for President. And she lied about being Native American throughout her history.

[Shadows]

The Bernie Bros ^TM will say anything to ruin Warren

Yes, because every single Sanders supporter absolutely despises Warren.

The vast majority of his supporters would be pretty happy with Warren. But keep painting us with the same brush; it worked out well three years ago.

He didn’t say Sanders supporters. He said Bernie Bros and they are absolutely grilling Warren simply for not being their God.

They like to throw stones from glass houses. If Warren had voted for the 1994 crime bill, to deregulate the derivatives market, to give gun manufacturers legal immunity, or against immigration reform, they would absolutely excorciate her over it.

Given her being a Republican then, she would have probably voted for it. She did something worse. She stood by & cheered & supported the Republican party a it slashed taxes from 70% to 28% odd, gutted all regulations, engaged in racial hostility against African Americans, gutted trade unions, appointed people like Thomas & on & on & on.

And she supported the Republican party all this while because she was worried about government taking an activist role. She was a hard right winger then.

This flat out isn't true.

Her first presidential vote, in 1972, had been cast against a man she said she disliked passionately, Richard Nixon. But reflecting on how little she had paid attention to day-to-day politics at the time, she couldn’t immediately recall who had been running against him. When told it was Democrat George McGovern, she said, Yes, she would have voted for him but didn’t have any specific memory of having done so. (She was living in New Jersey at the time.)

Going to the polls, she said, was nothing new for her. Warren’s mother had been a poll worker and brought her young daughter to the polls each Election Day.

Nixon was re-elected that year, of course, but resigned and was replaced by Gerald Ford. Warren said she had voted for him in 1976, believing that “Ford was a decent man.”

In 1980, she said, she was a registered independent living in Missouri City, Texas, and cast her vote to re-elect Carter.

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/elizabeth-warren-opens-up-about-her-choices-in-every-presidential-election-since-1972/

Again you posted fake news. This is not about Warren voting for Reagan or presidential votes but about crime bill & so on.

Given the fact that she hated government for playing an activist role, thoroughly supporter Republicans because they were the party of markets, there is no evidence to say she wouldn't support Republican policies including the crime bill.

[Shadows]

“I’m just going to be blunt,” she said on MSNBC in late February of this year. “I do not believe in unilateral disarmament. We got to go into these fights, and we gotta be willing to win these fights.” By rebuking “unilateral disarmament,” Warren means this: All options are on the table for funding her potential general election campaign against Trump. While she, like other Democratic candidates, have vowed to reject corporate and super PAC money during the primary, the general election is a different ballgame. To beat Trump, we have to play like Trump, she argues.

At a campaign event in Iowa, she said “I don’t believe democracy should be for sale to billionaires and giant corporations. I don’t take corporate PAC money. Shoot, I don’t take PAC money of any kind.” But if Warren is not willing to put our democracy up for sale during the primary, then what makes the general election any different? We are left to wonder whether Warren is just paying lip service to take on the billionaire class, which she apparently plans to cozy up to during the general election.

Ultimately, Warren is wrong when she suggests that rejecting corporate money during the general election constitutes “unilateral disarmament.” It is actually quite the opposite. Money does not win elections – people do. We need to look no further than to 2016, when Hillary outspent Trump and still lost.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-campaign-funding-super-pac-money-corporate-donations-2020-election-a9084451.html

Will be interesting to see Warren raising money from Goldman & JP Morgan to fight Trump in the GE !

[Shadows]

2020 could be the 1st Fraud vs Fraud election. Everyone knows Warren is a stone cold liar & fraud. She lied about her Native American heritage for years. She lied about how she got fired.

She earlier lied about how her parents fled away to get married. She is pretending to be this non-corrupt person when she has agreed to pake SuperPAC money for the General Election.

2020 could be an election of the most corrupt & pathological liar President vs a Dem Nominee who is also a liar.

[Shadows]

Total fraud. She is on record saying that she had to quit because she didn't have the qualifications. There is literally video of her saying the same. This is Trump level pathological lie.

It is fair to say that Warren supporters are Trump type cultists openly defending such fraud against video evidence of Warren.

[Shadows]

Harry Reid just said Warren is a pragmatic who will abandon Medicare-for-all once elected.

Guess Neoliberals have found a power hungry fraud (who lied about Native American Heritage) who they can use to completely eliminate the progressive agenda, who never supported the progressive cause in 2016 to be Hillary's VP, who was nowhere near Standing Rock, who will raise PAC money in the GE through the DNC & who will vote for 700B$+ Military budgets & will support the Military Industrial Complex

Go Warren. She should pick Manchin or someone even more conservative !

[Shadows]

Morgan Cox, the person who asked the Marriage Equality question to Elizabeth Warren also happens to be a huge supported of Warren & a longtime donor & has donated to her in the Presidential campaign as well.

Also just to add Children continue to develop cholera in Yemen, they got bombed by the Saudis as Yemen is on track to become the World's poorest country thanks to the support of Elizabeth Warren & people like her who supported 700B$+ Military budget to Trump & a blank check to do anything.

Also Warren has categorically indicated that she will be raising Corporate PAC big money through the DNC for the GE !

[Shadows]

https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1186357501329104899?s=20

Total fraud. Supported Trump's 700B$ military budget & gave him  the tools to commit war crimes & kill children in Yemen.

[Shadows]

Larry Krasner was thought of a would be Bernie surrogate of sorts so this is a coup of sorts for Warren as was Raul Grijalva although both of them have little to know influence on national or even early state polls so it is not a much deal but still Warren has clawed some 2016 Bernie backers.

Warren should ideally be leading now given her incredible performance among White Voters but apart from doing poorly among Black Voters, she is failing spectacularly among Hispanic voters as well. So it all depends on how she diversifies her coalition & if she can win both Iowa & NH which she needs because Nevada & SC will be much harder for her.

[Shadows]

I can't believe people are praising this. This is probably the worst plan so far received in this cycle & has gigantic holes in it. It totally busts the myth that Warren is serious about her plans & shows she is not a serious policy candidate.

Elizabeth Warren’s plan to pay for Medicare-for-all, explained

Private insurers spend about 12.2 percent on administrative costs and profits. Urban assumes that would fall to 6 percent under single-payer, as that’s what Medicare spends now. Warren assumes it will fall to 2.3 percent. Urban assumed that single-payer would pay physicians at Medicare rates but hospitals at 115 percent of Medicare’s rates. Warren takes hospitals down to 110 percent, saving $600 billion. . These are efforts to move health care away from fee-for-service, but the assumptions here are optimistic. Warren’s team projects $1.2 trillion in savings from bundled payments, for instance, but its footnote refers to a Congressional Budget Office paper from before the program began in earnest. A 2018 Commonwealth study found no savings from bundled payments, and Medicare has been backing off the program in recent years.

https://www.vox.com/2019/11/1/20942587/elizabeth-warren-medicare-for-all-taxes-explained

20T$  of Warren's money is -

Money saved through Immigration Reform.
Money through IRS Compliance
Money from Defense Budget Cuts
Much Lower Medicare Reimbursement rates than possible
Absurdly low unrealistic Healthcare Inflation
Irrational Administration cost (4% lesser than estimate after factoring in savings)
Non-existent savings shown (Bundled Payments)
70% Cut in Drug Prices (Her Own research team assumes 30% Cut)

This is the Donald Trump plan "Mexico will pay for the Wall" Policy !

[Shadows]

Elizabeth Warren released her Medicare for All financing plan today. The proposal is as follows:

Independent contractors (and the companies who hire them) will also be exempt from the Employer Medicare contribution both initially and forever.


What Warren is proposing here, in ordinary fiscal language, is a Medicare Head Tax. This is a departure from the normal Medicare Payroll Tax proposals. The distributive difference between them is that the Medicare Payroll Tax charges a specific percentage of each worker’s earnings, while the Medicare Head Tax charges a specific dollar amount per worker. Needless to say, the Medicare Payroll Tax is far superior to the Medicare Head Tax distributively speaking. Specifically, the Medicare Head Tax charges middle and low earners massively more than the Medicare Payroll Tax does.

https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/2019/11/01/warrens-perpetual-medicare-head-tax-is-unworkable-and-bad/

I guess the only person apart from Trump who can sell non-sensical policy proposals as serious atleast to the party base is Warren. Her College-plan was disastrous & there is no criticism of that plan.

Now her Medicare-for-all plan is possible the worst plan in 2020 & is a "Mexico will pay for the Wall" Trump type plan & people are praising this. This is a Kamala "Ban Trump from Twitter" type plan.

[Shadows]

https://www.vox.com/2019/11/1/20942587/elizabeth-warren-medicare-for-all-taxes-explained

There’s wide variation in the quality of insurance employers purchase, and this plan has the consequence, at the outset, of punishing employers who purchased better insurance for their employees — now they’re paying more than stingier competitors, but without any recruiting benefit. Over time, Warren says she’ll adjust all employers to the same level, though the details of how that will work are sparse.

There’s an even worse inequity for employers with fewer than 50 employees. They’re not required under law to provide health insurance, but a bit over half do. Warren’s plan says that small businesses “would be exempt from the Employer Medicare Contribution unless they are already paying for employee health care today.” That’s a fairly direct penalty to small businesses that offer health insurance today: They have to keep paying a cost their competitors have dodged, but paying that cost no longer gives them an advantage in hiring.

what a ridiculous failure of a plan

Sanders' plan proposed 30T$ Funding while Warren's plan proposed 20T$ leaving a 10T$ hole which is based on ridiculously low Health Inflation, 80% Drug Price cuts, more lower reimbursement rates & administrative costs than possible.

Also her plans of funding including IRS Compliance, Immigration Reform, Defense Spending Cuts & unrealistic figures from her Wealth Tax (Compare the Wealth Tax implemented in any country. No Country has generated the amount of wealth projected).

There is NO TRANSITION Period proposed & the plan is proposed as a "Long Term Medicare Plan". She also has to find out per employee healthcare cost of every single corporation & charge them 98% of that. Brilliantly workable plan. Similar to her absurd Tuition Free College plan which had 100 Income Criterias & Slabs which are not workable.

She will propose complex plans & people are so stupid they will think just because it is so complex that it a brilliant plan.

[Shadows]

This is failure on the level of the Native American thing. She walked into a trap because she couldn't handle any pressure & folds easily. If Biden, Pete & Klobuchar are smart they will attack Warren mercilessly over everything from the impossible Medicare Head Tax which Corporations can avoid through Independent contractors or a buffet of options, everything from Immigration funding to absurdly low inflation rates.

They have enough material to paint "Medicare for all" as a pie in the sky stuff for the next 2 debates. This whole debate could have been about Biden's SuperPAC & other areas & instead she ends up hurting Medicare for all & proved that she is not a serious GE Candidate.

[Shadows]

Corporations can outsource or hire huge sections as independent employers & not pay one nickel. Why would employees get raises when corporations have to pay same taxes.

 Besides the assumptions on savings, on tax compliance etc are ridiculous. Imagine a Democratic candidate proposing to pay for Healthcare extra taxes received from Passing Immigration reform. There is not a single mention of any phase in period. This is a horrendous plan to destroy the Medicare-for-all proposal & the only reason why Warren is ahead is due to the sheer stupidity of people who think idiotic complex plans are good. Warren fans have now become a cult like Trump fans & will support anything & everything.