Cruz-Sanders Tax Debate

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The important thing to remember with these debates is that no one's mind will be changed whatsoever.

So like all debates?

No, not necessarily. Presidential and other high-profile debates tend to drawn in a greater number of nonpartisans or a more-politically indifferent audience. With these issue-oriented debates (a Bernie Sanders vs. a Ted Cruz on taxes, healthcare, etc) - those tuning in probably already have an entrenched point of view.

Yea but you have to watch the whole debate. Sanders gets better & better with time while Lyin' Ted slips up big.

This was a 1 sided affair. I think you could argue about healthcare being close or a tie but Sanders crushed Cruz. The part about the conservative Danish guy railing against Bernie & then turning of Cruz & his lies about European healthcare was incredible.

Also Sanders using humour & fact-checking Cruz & his lies with different studies & his Twitter feed playing Cruz calling SS a ponzi scheme was fun. The problem with Lyin' Ted is not only is he the best GOP Debater but that he keeps lying & the opponent has to end up correcting him & you lose context & end up debating Cruz on the issues he wants you to debate instead of Cruz's weak points.

None-the-less fantastic performance be Bernie. When JFK cut taxes the rates were 90% & also campaigned on Medicare/Medicaid & increased Minimum Wage & Reagan ballooned the deficit & almost bankrupted the country. And Reagan's GDP Growth rate was far lower than most, lower than the top FDR years. Even Carter had a higher or comparable average GDP Growth.

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Sent to Destroy Sanders' Case for Democratic Socialism, Danish Right-Winger Bolsters It


Fellow at Peterson Institute, a regressive-minded think tank, concedes the many benefits of a nation that provides universal access to pre-school, healthcare, and college

In a televised debate with Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) on CNN Thursday night that quickly became a social media sensation, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) "dunked on" a Danish representative of a right-wing think tank who challenged Sanders on his support for Scandinavian social democratic policies. Jacob Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute, charged late in the debate that Sanders wants to spend like a Scandinavian nation, but not tax like one. Sanders responded by highlighting the benefits citizens of Denmark, Sweden, and other Scandinavian nations reap as a result of paying more in taxes and concluded that these benefits far outweigh the costs.

"How much do you pay when you go to the hospital, if you have cancer, God forbid, and you went to the hospital?" Sanders asked. "Zero," Kirkegaard said.

"And what about college in Denmark?" Sanders went on. "Our kids can't afford to go to college. How much does it cost to go to college in Denmark?" "Well, in fact, you get a government stipend to go to college," Kirkegaard said.

"Oh. In other words, not only is it free, they give you a stipend." "They want to make sure that every kid in that country gets the best education he or she can have."

By the end of their exchange, Kirkegaard conceded that familiar right-wing talking points about single-payer healthcare—for instance, the oft-repeated claim about extraordinarily long waiting lists—are false.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/10/19/sent-destroy-sanders-case-democratic-socialism-danish-right-winger-bolsters-it

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Another reason the Democratic Party needs to divorce from Bernie. If he somehow gets the nomination were heading for 1972 landslide defeat.

Written by a radical extreme right winger who spread Trickle Down Fraud & was part of Bush & Reagan administration. Yea Right ! What next - Let Carson tell it like it is. FDR was much more left wing & he destroyed the Republicans. Poll after poll shows Sanders is a highly electable candidate.

Sent to Destroy Sanders' Case for Democratic Socialism, Danish Right-Winger Bolsters It


Fellow at Peterson Institute, a regressive-minded think tank, concedes the many benefits of a nation that provides universal access to pre-school, healthcare, and college

In a televised debate with Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) on CNN Thursday night that quickly became a social media sensation, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) "dunked on" a Danish representative of a right-wing think tank who challenged Sanders on his support for Scandinavian social democratic policies. Jacob Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute, charged late in the debate that Sanders wants to spend like a Scandinavian nation, but not tax like one. Sanders responded by highlighting the benefits citizens of Denmark, Sweden, and other Scandinavian nations reap as a result of paying more in taxes and concluded that these benefits far outweigh the costs.

"How much do you pay when you go to the hospital, if you have cancer, God forbid, and you went to the hospital?" Sanders asked. "Zero," Kirkegaard said.

"And what about college in Denmark?" Sanders went on. "Our kids can't afford to go to college. How much does it cost to go to college in Denmark?" "Well, in fact, you get a government stipend to go to college," Kirkegaard said.

"Oh. In other words, not only is it free, they give you a stipend." "They want to make sure that every kid in that country gets the best education he or she can have."

By the end of their exchange, Kirkegaard conceded that familiar right-wing talking points about single-payer healthcare—for instance, the oft-repeated claim about extraordinarily long waiting lists—are false.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/10/19/sent-destroy-sanders-case-democratic-socialism-danish-right-winger-bolsters-it

There's no such thing as a free lunch. And 'free' college is not free.

That is a ridiculous comment. The price of an object, free or 10$ or whatever is measured by the amount the user pays. That is what the term free is - The user pays nothing for it.

So this whole argument nothing is free is just an idiotic one. Everyone has a cost which has nothing to do with it, whether it is free or not is based on what the end user pays.