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Question: Democrats: If it is down to Clinton/Sanders rematch who do you support?
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Hillary Clinton
 
#2
Bernie Sanders
 
#3
Not a democrat
 
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Total Voters: 195

Author Topic: Democrats: If it is down to Clinton/Sanders rematch who do you support?  (Read 6016 times)
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« on: April 02, 2017, 07:19:07 AM »

Bernie lost rather badly to the nasty vile cockroach that lost badly to President Trump despite a 2:1 money advantage.

Anyone who thinks Bernie is electable is fooling themselves.

Trump is going to lost in a landslide against any decent Democrat, Sanders or Biden or Franken or someone else.
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« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2017, 08:14:54 PM »

I hope Clinton doesn't run & I expected her to much worse in this poll, maybe get 4-5 votes. 2020 will be absolutely critical as Dems won't be able to bear another 4 years from Trump & if RBG/Breyer hangs on & Democrats lose in 2020, the SC is gone for a long while.

I just don't see the Dem party doing well going forward if Sanders loses again to Clinton as a large section of Sanders supporters defect to Greens for 2020 & will probably give up on the Dem party !

Clinton vs Sanders 2020 will be massively negative unlike 2016 despite whatever Bernie does to keep it clean because Sanders' supporters & surrogates for sure would go mercilessly against Clinton !
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2017, 02:52:40 PM »
« Edited: April 04, 2017, 02:54:54 PM by Shadows »

Voted Sanders in the primary. Would be sad it came down to those two for a second time but I would support Clinton. I think people underestimate the Trump fatigue that will most likely be present by 2020. Also Sanders will be 78, he already looks extremely old. Clinton had detailed policy, while Sanders had ideas backed up by a "revolution". I am sick of populism

The policy statement is completely incorrect & I am shocked by the ignorance of the poeple who believe this ridiculous narrative of Clinton's donors controlled Media.

Let us look at examples -

College Affordability - Wall Street Speculation tax - 0.5% tax on stocks, 0.1% on bonds, 0.005% on derivatives, estimated to raise 332B $ odd based on economists Heintz & Pollins research on this area.

Paid Leave - Bernie supports the 2$ a week paid leave introduced by Gillibrand & Senate leaders. Hillary said she supports Paid leave but refused to support the Senate Bill & would look at "all options".

Social Security - Eliminate the cap on taxable income (Bernie) - A proposal Obama supported too. And it would not only make SS solvent but will expand it. HRC - I will expand but I will "look at all options" & won't commit now.

Infra - Bernie's 100B $ a year through corporate loopholes was based on Congressional Research office's data.

Climate Change - Bernie proposed a Carbon Tax. What was Hillary's plan? Cap n Trade or Carbon Tax? No1 even knows "I will look at all options' !

 In recent history, Bernie was the best in detailed policy issues although he was not as articulate in explaining it in details as he should have been. But the entire Dem primary were about his ideas.

HRC had no thought out policy positions & never committed & presented detailed plans but the media painted a false narrative & people lapped it up.

For example, do you want to talk about Bernie's Keep our promises Act which would repeal loopholes of estate taxes & raise 29 B $ in 10 years through 2 key changes -

Modify like-kind exchange rules for real property and collectibles
Modify rules for minority valuation discounts

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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2017, 09:59:08 PM »
« Edited: April 16, 2017, 01:46:04 AM by Shadows »


If Trump were running for re-election against Hillary and it was held today, Hillary would almost certainly win, by 2012 margins, if not 2008.

Obviously, that could change by November 2020, but it probably won't. I'm not saying we should Hillary in 2020, just that I doubt she'll blow it if we do.

Ohh she will absolutely blow it again if the whole strategy is Trump being bad. For one, if HRC wins the nomination again, there will be a massive defection of people form the Bernie wing, some of whom will feel all that activism & everything is worth nothing & the party is not worth saving anymore & the Greens will get their best result plus many people will not vote. Noway will HRC winning again will be accepted.

Then she will have everyone of those problems that she had - She is fundamentally dishonest, she lies, she sells access in her foundation for money, she is a horrible orator, she has no emotional empathy, she is a poor campaigner, she is totally tied to big money, she doesn't have the health to campaign vigorously across states etc etc - 2020 will again be about 2 Terrible candidates, 1 who is so power hungry that she can't take a GE loss to freaking Trump & wants to run again!
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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2017, 01:12:53 AM »

So despite Trump being a major f**k up, Clinton went from +2% in the PV to -3%, a 5% win. How much more unpopular will she get?

Let's go Hilldawg! Still her turn !
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