To Sanders voters: you were right, I was wrong (user search)
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
June 16, 2024, 02:09:01 PM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  Election Archive
  Election Archive
  2016 U.S. Presidential Election
  To Sanders voters: you were right, I was wrong (search mode)
Pages: [1]
Author Topic: To Sanders voters: you were right, I was wrong  (Read 1743 times)
Shadows
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,956
« on: November 11, 2016, 11:40:50 AM »
« edited: November 11, 2016, 11:43:21 AM by Shadows »

People who believe Bloomberg would have got decent support among people in the rust belt or anywhere enough to swing NY are delusional. Everyone knows a vote for Bloomberg is a vote for Trump. You can also add to the fact he will not even be in the ballot in most states, will have no party infra, poor ground game, will catch up late & will not even make the debates it all likelihood.

But this is not about I am right or you are wrong. This is about a Once in a lifetime candidate being not picked because of this notion Clinton was more electable. We have people flooding the Bernie sites with similar posts!

I will tell you this - There will be more incarceration, more tax breaks for billionaires, war on poor people, repeal of ACA & Climate change will ensure the future generation may not find a habitable world.

To win Dems have to appeal to rural voters, working class whites & to the only age group they win - Millennials. There also has to be good enthusiasm & a huge turnout among the base. The stats are in - Trump under-performed Romney yet due to record low Millennial turnout & loss of Working whites, Hillary performed worse than Obama & lost!

Do you think Republicans didn't vote for Ted Cruz in Senate because he was not moderate or electable?

Do you think Republicans didn't vote for Trump because he was less centrist & would lose?

The Democratic party is heading to ruin unless it stands up for its ideals & supports candidates passionately rather than compromising before even electing candidates in the primaries! This ridiculous strategy will alienate the base & as proved moderates like Clinton do a horrible job among independents & GOP people will anyways not vote for them!
Logged
Shadows
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,956
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2016, 12:28:41 PM »

Yeah, we should have nominated Bernie, although we will never know if he would have won. We do know that Hillary certainly lost. I'm sorry, Bernie Bros. You were right, I was wrong. However, many of you guys did act like sh**t during the primaries. It became all about what a terrible person Hillary was, as opposed to how un-electable she was, which is what would have mattered more to someone like me. I'm a bit of a utilitarian, so I didn't care if she's a corrupt bastard so long as she won and moved the progressive agenda forward. She was right about the movie Lincoln and backroom deals passing the 13th amendment. You were never going to convince me that Hillary was terrible.

It will be a good idea to have a discussion regarding your thought process!

Why did you not take notice of any of the polls saying Hillary was dishonest?

Country going in the wrong direction in most polls? People wanted Change??

Or Bernie's outrageously amazing performance among young voters & independents?


I still see people posting delusional stuff in here about Bernie's appeal. The truth is the moderate Democrat did pathetic with Republicans & any Dem will do bad in a polarized country. The moderate Democrat lost Independents to a borderline fascist ring wing nut job.

Crazy that Bernie beat Hillary in a landslide among Independents & young people & still people make weird arguments about him losing - This whole idea of moderates winning is for the garbage bin - It is proved that progressives & conservatives are tearing down the ideological barrier & appealing directly to voters!

If Moderate candidates were more electable, Trump wouldn't have won & IMO wouldn't have won independents over Hillary?
Logged
Shadows
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,956
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2016, 02:31:24 PM »

I noticed on election night that the areas of the Midwest and northeast that Hillary was struggling with were the same areas where Bernie was defeating Hillary handly in the primary. Michigan was an unexpected win for Bernie, just as it was for Trump. The rural areas of Wisconsin which were won exclusively by Sanders swung hard to Trump. Not all of these Sanders voters in the primary were Trump supporters on election day, obviously, but a good percentage of them could've been, and that's a huge problem in of itself.

If only IceSpear were to comment on this thread.

There is a section of voters who are not Dem party voters but Bernie/Trump voters. There is a poll among Trump's voters vs Bernie & he only managed to retain 70% with Bernie taking away 23-24% & rest others or undecided.

There is no doubt that there ie some thread breaking across party lines & ideologies. You can add this to the strong progressives & young people who didn't turn out for Clinton because she couldn't inspire them!
Logged
Shadows
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,956
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2016, 09:55:46 PM »

People wanted Bernie to campaign after screwing her over & his supporters to come over but they won't do sh**t for Zephyr or Russ Feingold & neither would support him.

People like Hagrid & Lief are the reason the Democratic party is on the verge of ruin & this forum Atlas has 0 Credibility today - You chose the most unelectable & hated candidate in modern US history.

If the Dem party is to survive & go ahead, then the party has to be purged of this kind of people - I have been saying time & again they belong to the modern Republican party or be independent or whatever - They don't belong to the Dem party anymore!
Logged
Shadows
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,956
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2016, 03:04:56 PM »

People wanted Bernie to campaign after screwing her over & his supporters to come over but they won't do sh**t for Zephyr or Russ Feingold & neither would support him.

People like Hagrid & Lief are the reason the Democratic party is on the verge of ruin & this forum Atlas has 0 Credibility today - You chose the most unelectable & hated candidate in modern US history.

If the Dem party is to survive & go ahead, then the party has to be purged of this kind of people - I have been saying time & again they belong to the modern Republican party or be independent or whatever - They don't belong to the Dem party anymore!

Umm, she got more votes

That is what I said you guys CHOSE her in the primaries - a candidate considered dishonest, corrupt, uncaring, uncharismatic, uninspiring & a lier by a large section of the GE!

The primary voters couldn't be this oblivious to her faults!
Logged
Shadows
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,956
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2016, 03:31:33 PM »

People wanted Bernie to campaign after screwing her over & his supporters to come over but they won't do sh**t for Zephyr or Russ Feingold & neither would support him.

People like Hagrid & Lief are the reason the Democratic party is on the verge of ruin & this forum Atlas has 0 Credibility today - You chose the most unelectable & hated candidate in modern US history.

If the Dem party is to survive & go ahead, then the party has to be purged of this kind of people - I have been saying time & again they belong to the modern Republican party or be independent or whatever - They don't belong to the Dem party anymore!

Umm, she got more votes

That is what I said you guys CHOSE her in the primaries - a candidate considered dishonest, corrupt, uncaring, uncharismatic, uninspiring & a lier by a large section of the GE!

The primary voters couldn't be this oblivious to her faults!

I think he was talking about the general election PV.

And that didn't win her the electoral college did it? MI WI & PA really?
Logged
Shadows
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,956
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2016, 02:00:00 PM »

I don't know where this idea of minorities is coming.

Clinton did poorly among minorities compared to Obama with a severe gap on enthusiasm. How on earth did Trump beat Romney's Hispanic numbers?

How on earth can Sanders do worse? Any ways most of the exit poll showed that Sanders was completely holding his own minorities in GE head to head match-up & bringing more millennials & white working class & independents - The reason he led so much.

When has the Black not voted for a Dem? Especially a Dem who has gone to jail protesting segregation?
Logged
Pages: [1]  
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.04 seconds with 13 queries.