Bernie Sanders Continues to Spew Hot Air

[RaphaelDLG]

Outside of races where the third party actually has a chance (few and far between), there's only one logical reason to vote third party, in my opinion - to help a political party get access to the debate stage in the long term.  It's not an insignificant goal but it must be weighed against the moral responsibility of helping the country by selecting the clear lesser of two evils.

Writing in Bernie Sanders or anyone else who isn't actually on the ballot in all 50 states doesn't really accomplish anything and kind of just serves as a performative exercise where you can masturbate to your own moral purity.  I guess if there was a mass write-in/NOTA movement that would be large enough that politicians would take notice, it would be kind of okay, but it would have to be weighed against the necessity to protect America by selecting the lesser of two evils.

Perhaps an exception to write-ins would be in an unopposed race where a write in could be a useful form of social protest.

To be an adult, you have to both accept that unfortunately you are often going to have to choose between the lesser of two evils and that simultaneously you can't so cynical that you don't do your part to improve the lesser of two evils choice before the next election by voting in primaries, petitioning, protesting.

As 2000 proved, there's often simply too much at stake to reject a lesser of two evils choice for an identity affirming feel good third party choice.  And I say this as someone who lives in a safe R state that plans on voting for a major third party candidate.

Apologize for the poorly organized post.

[RaphaelDLG]

I'll like Bernie better once he goes back to being Senator Bernie who is an advocate for change, but who has learned that change comes from within, slowly.

I'm a big fan of slow change.  For me, there's really no hurry. 

The 45,000 people a year that die in America due to lack of health coverage?  Screw'em. 

The current system works just fine.  The banks that are larger than they were when they were too big to fail and could explode at any time, wiping out people's livelihoods and again resulting in thousands of deaths?  No biggie. 

The global temperature that has already risen by two degrees and the climate change taking place that may be irreversible?  Whatevs.

These youngsters just need to take a chill pill and get with the program.  The experts in Washington, DC will continue to handle these problems just fine, just vote for HRC in November and then go take a nap for a couple years.

[RaphaelDLG]

I'll like Bernie better once he goes back to being Senator Bernie who is an advocate for change, but who has learned that change comes from within, slowly.

I'm a big fan of slow change.  For me, there's really no hurry. 

The 45,000 people a year that die in America due to lack of health coverage?  Screw'em. 

The current system works just fine.  The banks that are larger than they were when they were too big to fail and could explode at any time, wiping out people's livelihoods and again resulting in thousands of deaths?  No biggie. 

The global temperature that has already risen by two degrees and the climate change taking place that may be irreversible?  Whatevs.

These youngsters just need to take a chill pill and get with the program.  The experts in Washington, DC will continue to handle these problems just fine, just vote for HRC in November and then go take a nap for a couple years.

Obama started the ball rolling with health care. They have been working on it. In fact, Obama wanted Universal Health care but he had to compromise in order to get something started. He did something that no president before him could do, even though it's just the beginning. And long before Obama tried to do something about health care, Hillary back in the 90's was pushing for it, but that went nowhere. You don't give her any credit for all the work she put into trying to change the health care system, but she and Bill were great advocates for it when he was in office.

Banks big days are over. They will come under increasing control as the years pass; it's a given.

Global warming is debatable. The weather patterns go through cycles. It's always been that way...always. But I won't go into that argument here.

The youngsters need to realize that Bernie LOST. He does not control the Democratic system. More people want to go Hillary's route than Bernie's route. So yes, take a chill pill and wait your turn.

Except Hillary was very recently saying that Obamacare is great as it is, until she had to pander during the democratic primary to make sure she won, does not favor breaking up the banks, and was for keystone until she was against it.  She doesn't have a lot of credibility on those issues and needs to have her feet held to the fire.

Which is exactly what Bernie is doing right now, and what people need to do for the next two years after Hillary hopefully wins.  You can support the Democratic party without worshiping its figures as these mythical paragons of virtue that can do no wrong.  I know that's a mindblowing idea for a lot of people on this forum.

Of course Bernie doesn't control the democratic system.  Who gives a damn about Bernie; he's just one guy.  But his ideas absolutely need to be fought for, no matter how much arm-twisting it takes, and your idea that the Democratic Party and its assorted band of celebrities will just magically take care of us without any outside pressure is woefully ignorant of history.