FBI search warrant executed at Mar-a-Lago (Update: Trump Indicted!)

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This week just keeps getting better!

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My sources say the death penalty is being considered. I am pro-life and take no pleasure in reporting this.

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This will not be a good thing for a midterm with Biden's approval so low. Could wind up motivating Republicans.

Trump's base already live in a completely separate media ecosystem that has been painting him as a victim continuously since 2015, and this isn't going to change that.

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Is it cause you want to shame blue avatars

So you view us as the villains

You're certainly not helping matters!

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https://twitter.com/marceelias/status/1556794749377454080?s=21&t=GepaSPeO9A9...

This probably wouldn’t apply to the presidency since the qualification and disqualification rules are in the constitution and a law does not supersede that . Now a conviction for attempted insurrection could as their is a provision in the constitution that says those people are disqualified

This is probably correct.

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For the first time, I believe we will see large-scale political violence in this country in my lifetime.

If there is one thing the far right absolutely will not stand for, it is apparently any form of accountability for their cult leader.

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This has only further highlighted the deep divide between Americans for me. Half the country thinks this is the greatest thing that has ever happened while the other half is completely disgusted. I don’t know how we are going to last as a country when we live in different realities.

I’ll own up to being part of it as I cannot fathom the mindset of someone who thinks Trump is fit to be president. It’s so utterly alien to me that I can’t begin to come to an understanding of how someone could possibly think this man is some sort of great leader or paragon of strength and wisdom.

I’m just not sure how we can solve the polarization here.

Polarization isn't going to be solved, so we shouldn't worry about it; we must focus on uncovering the truth and pursuing justice.

Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.

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If you want to go criminally after him , just focus on Jan 6th imo and nothing else

We all saw the photos of clear plastic boxes full of documents being packed up from the White House on Jan 19-20, 2021.  Why not try to find out whether or not he was illegally absconding with papers that were subject to the Presidential Records Act?

It'd be nice to hold Trump accountable for literally any of his crimes, but why focus on one specific avenue and ignore all others?

Cause of the precedent you would set . Like I said should Bush have been prosecuted for Guantanamo Bay or Obama for drones

Why not?  If crimes have been committed, they should be impartially investigated and prosecuted if necessary.  Anything else is a deeply troubling excuse for abuse of power.

Maybe this can actually set a precedent that as president you can't just do illegal stuff and let off the hook. Prosecuters should follow facts and the evidence. If a future Democratic president does something unlawful, he or she should be equally investigated.

Do you feel Bill Clinton was guilty of obstruction of Justice during the Lewinsky scandal and should’ve been removed from office? I’m not talking about the lying under oath charge in that case - I am specifically asking about the obstruction charge.

If he was guilty then, should he be prosecuted now?

You’re setting the precedent after all that Presidents can be charged with crimes after they leave office, for things done in office. If we set that precedent, it must be applied retroactively to Clinton and Bush Jr (IE Bush’s lies for the Iraq War).

I'm laughing at the idea that you think progressive voters in 2022 have any desire to defend Bill Clinton.

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If you want to go criminally after him , just focus on Jan 6th imo and nothing else

We all saw the photos of clear plastic boxes full of documents being packed up from the White House on Jan 19-20, 2021.  Why not try to find out whether or not he was illegally absconding with papers that were subject to the Presidential Records Act?

It'd be nice to hold Trump accountable for literally any of his crimes, but why focus on one specific avenue and ignore all others?

Cause of the precedent you would set . Like I said should Bush have been prosecuted for Guantanamo Bay or Obama for drones

Why not?  If crimes have been committed, they should be impartially investigated and prosecuted if necessary.  Anything else is a deeply troubling excuse for abuse of power.

Maybe this can actually set a precedent that as president you can't just do illegal stuff and let off the hook. Prosecuters should follow facts and the evidence. If a future Democratic president does something unlawful, he or she should be equally investigated.

Do you feel Bill Clinton was guilty of obstruction of Justice during the Lewinsky scandal and should’ve been removed from office? I’m not talking about the lying under oath charge in that case - I am specifically asking about the obstruction charge.

If he was guilty then, should he be prosecuted now?

You’re setting the precedent after all that Presidents can be charged with crimes after they leave office, for things done in office. If we set that precedent, it must be applied retroactively to Clinton and Bush Jr (IE Bush’s lies for the Iraq War).

Well, part of the rationale for the DOJ's opinion that sitting Presidents should not be charged while in office is that they could then be charged after leaving office, even for crimes committed in office.  If you can't charge them while in office or after they're out of office, it means they have carte blance to commit any crimes they want during their terms without fear of consequence.  Is that really what you want?  It would be a complete affront to the rule of law; NOBODY is above the law.  In the case of a sitting President, justice may be delayed to avoid disrupting the functioning of government, but it cannot be denied entirely.

If the DOJ thinks they can make a case against Clinton for obstruction, or Bush for the Iraq War, then by all means they should bring it.  It's worth noting that the DOJ had a draft indictment of Nixon for conspiracy to defraud the United States (the same crime the other Watergate conspirators were convicted of) ready to go after his resignation, but it was mooted by Ford's pardon.

And Ford was right to pardon Nixon

I like Gerald Ford, but no, pardoning Nixon was a terrible idea. The lack of accountability that occurred with Nixon is part of why we're dealing with all of Trump's s***.

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No the reason why we are unable to deal with Trump is cause nobody has found a way to break his popularity with right of center voters in this nation . Do that and he is finished

But wouldn't you say popularity is irrelevant in that regard? Evidence of criminal behavior shouldn't care about that. Otherwise, you basically set the standard that anyone who is popular with a certain segment of the population (Trump is not really popular across the country, or outside the Republican Party), can pretty much get away with everything.

In theory yes but you have to take into account what the reality is to. What are the consequences of not prosecuting  for this crime vs what are the consequences you will face for doing so and I think for this crime the consequences of prosecuting would be greater and it actually could help his chances of winning in 2024 .

This right here is the problem. Stop thinking about this in terms of elections. The rule of law is more important than an electoral advantage.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/alyssa-farah-griffin-says-fbi-145453813.html

Ah yes, if there is anyone who is a fair and impartial voice here, it's Trump's former communications director.

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Even Larry Hogan tweeted this :

https://twitter.com/GovLarryHogan/status/1557071758447951878

Any investigation of Trump is going to "divide Americans" and to pretend otherwise is stupid, and "it will divide Americans" is not a rational justification for allowing Trump to be above the law.

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https://twitter.com/RealKyleMorris/status/1557124532485427201

Not sure if this is the best place to put this but the feds took Scott Perry's phone

Oh how I would love to have a representative who wasn't a complete disgrace.

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https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1557805202832588800?s=20&t=1dIXjCJwya...

The far right f***ed around and now they're going to find out.

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What do you think is in it that would be damning enough for people to bail on him? The 74 million voters he got in 2020 when he lost?

There are at least 74 million terrible adult citizens in the US, yes.

#ARAB #AllRepublicansAreBad #All74Million #SorryNotSorry

Gee I wonder why you guys are unable to appeal to people who don’t vote for you guys .

The other top thread on USGD right now is a deranged right winger trying to take down the Cincinnati FBI with lethal force and here you are complaining that a Santander post is excessively alienating. OK 👍

Yes that guy is horrible and should be locked up but to say 74 million people are horrible is extremely condescending and hackish .

I think it's extreme to say the 74 million Trump voters are all horrible people, but anyone who supports Trump after all that has happened since the 2020 election simply does not care about this country nor do they care about the rule of law.

No they just think both sides don’t care about it and believe me I know many Trump supporters and that is what they believe .

They might believe certain things or not, it's their right to do so. People are entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.

That is different then calling them horrible people cause I can 100% attest to the fact they are not .

Not all of them are horrible people. Many are simply delusional and/or have been overwhelmed by propaganda.

Still good grounds for viewing their voting decisions as dangerous!

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Kudos to Garland for offering the transparency Americans deserve for such a high-profile case.

If Trump isn't cooperative in unsealing the warrant, it will indeed be a very bad look for him. 

How will you feel if he objects? I'd be shocked if he doesn't object. I am just curious what his explanation will be.

If he objects, it will probably be some allegation that FBI/DOJ isn't disclosing enough and that releasing the warrant alone would somehow be misleading. Make a demand that he knows they can't legally go along with.

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Kudos to Garland for offering the transparency Americans deserve for such a high-profile case.

If Trump isn't cooperative in unsealing the warrant, it will indeed be a very bad look for him. 

How will you feel if he objects? I'd be shocked if he doesn't object. I am just curious what his explanation will be.

I'm sure they will find a reason to defend him, but there is literally *no* defense of him objecting to it. He was moaning all week about it and then Garland calls his bluff and then if he says no, then clearly he has something to hide, and the entire 'transparency' thing falls again entirely on him.

I mean rationally he looks terrible either way but even the MAGA crowd I'd imagine will find it hard to defend legitimately

I think the MAGA crowd will die on whatever hill they need to when defending their leader. After all, they are conditioned to think anything said in the media is fake news. Trump could say he is objecting because this is a witchhunt and his base will fall in line.

However, it will ensure he has almost no chance in 2024 with the general electorate even if he is re-nominated.

Agree with *most* of this. Not sure I buy that he would have almost no chance in 2024, however. If the last seven years have taught me anything, it's that the general public has an astonishing ability to overlook what should be completely disqualifying issues with Trump.

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!!!

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1557880239287455744?s=21&t=jTxQ4A3...

IM SORRY WAT

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The absolute beauty of this lunatic lining up even the Larry Hogans of the world to criticize the FBI for a witch hunt only for it to turn out that he's STEALING NUCLEAR F***ING WEAPONS DOCUMENTS

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Stealing nuclear docs could be considered treason, right?

It's certainly bumping right up against it, and I say that as someone who tries very hard to stick to the very narrow constitutional definition of treason when using that term. If he at any point provided these documents to a foreign power, it would cross that line into full-blown constitutional treason, in my view.

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If yall don't have the troll muted yet that's on you

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This is all I can think about right now, tbh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjp-ZVT8_bE

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It came to my mind yesterday that the documents had to have some sort of value because they weren't destroyed. If this were a case of Trump taking documents that were incriminating he would have just destroyed them as he allegedly did other documents. He kept those to sell or to use as a bargaining tool to flee to another country to avoid prosecution for something else. My guess is it was for money.

I honestly am betting on the far stupider and thus more likely explanation: He thought it would be cool to have nuclear weapons documents to show off to guests at his club.

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Here is a question: why is everyone assuming that the papers are the nuclear codes?

Could they be documents related to either a nuclear deal, or something?

Also, would think that nuclear “secrets” in the sense of “These are the codes to the nuclear football” or how to build a nuclear bomb”, or “We have X amount of nuclear missiles and they are stationed HERE” wouldn’t be written down in the first place, much less at the direct reach of the President.

Meaning, if Trump actually has such papers, wouldn’t he have had to get them from someone in the cabinet or such initially?

Could be related to the rockets or the subs, rather than the warheads themselves.