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« on: May 01, 2018, 12:11:28 AM »
« edited: May 01, 2018, 12:15:26 AM by Virginia »

The Voter Approval for Gas and Vehicle Tax Initiative has submitted over 940,000 signatures and the Local Rent Control Initiative has submitted more than 565,000 signatures. Both will most likely make the ballot.

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I have to admit, this is really aggravating, and not because I'm exactly in love with taxes or some of the new fees Cali instituted. It already takes a 2/3rd majority to pass new taxes in CA, and now they want to require voter approval for new gas/vehicle taxes? Why are the goalposts always being moved with this? Requiring a super-majority is already a big deal, why is that not enough? It's not smart to hamstring the legislature in terms of raising revenue. It's one thing to require more than a majority, but another to require voter approval. That may make it difficult to change taxes in the future, and it'll be a constant battle, even if the state is facing a funding crisis. You can't always rely on the voters to approve changes to tax law even when it makes sense.

Democrats ought to keep the super-majority requirement as a compromise but just put an amendment on the ballot to disallow initiatives that block restrictions on new taxes every election until it passes. If voters or special interest groups have a problem with a particular tax increase, they can do a veto referendum instead. That and the super-majority stuff is a reasonable fallback option for the people. But these initiatives meant to tie the legislature's hands with taxes are bad ideas.
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« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2018, 09:57:11 AM »

-  Lead Paint; Bond Measure: "Declares that lead paint in homes is not a public nuisance. Authorizes $2 billion in state general obligation bonds to fund grants for certain structural and environmental remediation projects as follows: $1.5 billion for certain residential units; $400 million for schools; and $100 million for senior housing facilities."

lol @ paint companies trying to force the state to pay for their mess

and lol @ conservatives trying to make virtually impossible to pass taxes.
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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2018, 10:26:33 AM »


20% of the time it works great - redistricting reform and electoral reform after all were ballot propositions.

80% of the time it is just a nuisance and proof how direct democracy doesn't work.  

I think part of the problem is that everything requires just 50%, and maybe that is no longer appropriate for direct democracy. Some things should require more. For instance, conservatives seem to want to keep throwing up roadblocks to enacting taxes. I think a 2/3rd share of the vote should be required to enact new restrictions on the government's tax-making powers. I mean, I get their concern but the legislature already needs 2/3rd majority to pass taxes. That is more than enough for gods sakes. Requiring voter approval for every new tax / fee on gas/car stuff is patently absurd, and these Norquist worshippers are taking advantage of voter discontent to enact bad policy. Repeal the gas tax if they want, but new restrictions like this is bound to cause problems in the future. It seems to be that if they think 2/3 majority is OK for the legislature, it should be OK for them to do their restrictions.

2/3rd vote should be required to restrict voting, including any system that returns redistricting power back to partisan lawmakers

This would probably operate better if we could shift initiatives to people enacting policy lawmakers won't, but not using the system to practically govern the state every 2 years. It really does seem like too much policy is getting passed this way, and you have to keep in mind that CA has legislative tampering rules, so the legislature can't modify any of these initiatives after they pass. That's troublesome if there are unforeseen problems later on that require fixes but also voter approval due to the way they were passed.
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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2018, 08:01:50 PM »

- The proposition expanding two-thirds supermajorities for state/local taxes was withdrawn

The legislature already has a 2/3 rule. What was this for? Local governments? What was the prop#?

- Based on outstanding counties left to verify signatures, it's looking like the criminal justice proposition will fall short of making the ballot.

Was this the one that repealed the criminal justice reforms that passed a couple election cycles ago?
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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2018, 01:09:09 PM »

^^ I want to say thank god but there are so many undecideds that it seems like it could go either way.
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