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« on: March 14, 2017, 04:15:04 PM »
« edited: March 14, 2017, 04:17:17 PM by Virginia »

So we're going to shut the govt down now on matters of policy too? Come on Schumer. I'm vehemently against this stuff, and I don't think PP should get defunded nor should Russia investigations be watered down or swept under the rug, but we can't create such a broad palette for this stuff. Shutting down the govt is a big, expensive ordeal that hurts a lot of workers, and it should not just be a regular part of each party's policy opposition toolkit.
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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2017, 05:27:12 PM »

Trump explicitly offered to drop his support of defunding PP if they stopped performing abortions. PP said this in response:

https://www.facebook.com/centerformedicalprogress/photos/a.1621514461423852.1073741828.1592459800995985/1856168574625105/?type=3&theater

Calling abortion a service that's as vital to your mission as birth control/cancer screenings really takes any believability out of the 3% statistic. If something is only 3% of your business, then by defintion it isn't as important as other services you provide. By denying that definition, PP is denying the 3% statistic.

No, they aren't. Perhaps if you are eager to believe they are far more involved in abortion it does. Their position on this seems more out of principle - that they (rightfully) value their services in relation to abortion and the help it provides, and that they don't want to be bullied around by a bunch of conservatives emboldened by a big league sexist who weaseled his way into the White House without even plurality support, and has thus breathed new life into hack schemes like defunding PP, which, btw, do not enjoy public support either.
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2017, 08:30:27 PM »

Well, that goes against your party's talking point that PP is an organization that focuses on birth control, cancer screenings, and mammograms, and doesn't focus on abortions. This really  shows how incoherent the democrats are here. They say we can fund PP because abortion is a very small % of what it does, reject dropping the service because it's "as vital as everything else", then deflect the charge that that invalidates the 3% statistic because "they value their services in respect to Abortion", which invalidates the talking point that cancer screenings, mammograms and birth control is their main focus.

You're playing around with words now and you know it. Not wanting to be bullied into what services they can provide by conservatives is not evidence of what you're stating. In fact, personally, I think they should take the deal they were offered but I still fully understand why they might not want to.

And the idea that Democrats are "in love" with abortion seems like a funny way to put it. I am very pro-choice but I don't encourage abortion, and I think it's a very hard choice to make (as it should be). I, like many, many others, just support the right to have a choice in the matter.

As for this - to me, it really just seems like you have your mind made up and you're stretching whatever need be to try and prove it.
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