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« on: April 01, 2016, 02:20:35 PM »

I'm really going to miss Barry. I think a lot of people, myself included, have taken for granted his presidency.

If Trump or Cruz gets elected, prepare for a Bush2-like presidency on max-dose steroids.
If Hillary gets elected, prepare for 4-8 years of people talking trash, accusing her of corruption, nitpicking every little issue and spinning a conspiracy about it, and so on.
If Sanders gets elected, prepare for continued maximum gridlock and even more devastating midterm losses with a good chance of getting routed during 2021's round of redistricting.

plz Santa, 4 more years Sad
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« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2016, 02:38:46 PM »
« Edited: April 01, 2016, 02:40:33 PM by Virginia »

The difference - Hillary is actually culpable for massive corruption, and the gridlock that would happen wouldn't be Sanders's fault, rather Congress's.

Look, I'm not getting into Clinton corruption stuff. I'm talking about her potential presidency, which obviously has not occurred. So it's just speculation right now.

As for Sanders - I didn't say or intend to imply he would be responsible for the gridlock, but he's an ideologue with a very liberal agenda. Unless he takes back all of Congress and gets the filibuster thrown out, he will faced obstruction that makes Obama's tenure look like mild disagreements. Free college? Singlepayer? 1 trillion dollars of infrastructure? Republicans would have a heart attack over this.

I'm all for those ideas, but only if we can actually get them done, and that requires full federal control. Sanders would be a good president in that situation, but without that, it's debatable.

Hmmm... maybe I'm jaded but both of those sound a lot like Obama's presidency to me!

Somewhat, except the sh**t Hillary would eat would be from liberals as well. Obama was mostly demonized by Republicans. Believe it or not, but Hillary could actually drive young voters (18-22) away from the party much like Nixon drove young voters to Democrats during his tenure. She doesn't really have to do anything corrupt, because young voters already think she is shady.

Sanders has big plans, far bigger than Obama, and he is far more dogmatic and persistent about them. Unless we take back Congress, we need someone who will settle for incremental change, because Republicans will never allow his major proposals to pass if they have any say in it. We need to get government working again. I'm not sure we can get that with Sanders and a divided/Republican Congress.

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« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2016, 03:04:46 PM »


You mean YUUUGE plans. Cheesy

Anyway, I don't know where this idea comes from that Bernie his a dogmatic who would never settle for compromise. As a Senator he's actually worked with others (including Republicans) to pass bills. Yes, the vision he's advocating is bold and radical, but that doesn't mean he won't settle for the best deal he can get.

The fact is, neither him nor Hillary will get anything past a Republican Congress. Because Republicans oppose on Principle anything a Democratic President supports.

Yes, yuuugge Smiley

The reason I said that about Sanders is because even a compromise on his plans is still far too much for Republicans to bear. It's like, "ok, I see you don't want 1 trillion in infrastructure investment, so how about 500 billion?" - They would go just a little bit less nuts over that. Forget tax reform - Bernie's idea of proper tax reform is so wildly different from the GOP plans that Republicans in Congress would literally not even be able to read his proposal. It'd be like Martian to them. "Raise taxes on wealthy people? What is this gibberish?"

Maybe I'm wrong, but I just see his compromises as still being far too much, because his initial proposals were already far, far more than what could be realistically accepted by modern day Republicans.
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