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Omega21
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« on: March 06, 2020, 02:49:52 PM »

Yesterday I watched "The Right to Power" where the new Prime Minister Shmygal and two members of his Cabinet (Health Minister Ilya Yemets and Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba) made their first appearance. A little analysis:

After hearing Shmygal's public address for the first time, I was pleased because he seemed smarter than Goncharuk. It is a pity that it was not long.

Yesterday on the air of the TV channel "1 + 1" he incorrectly answered the Gerasimov's question (the basic question concerning Ukrainian parliamentarism), and then showed that he is not guided at all in the rules of international law. He declined to name any figures related to the economy, saying that: "people do not want to hear the numbers, people are tired of them"

Shmygal is a man of Akhmetov. Now there is a struggle for influence between Kolomoysky and Akhmetov. The course of the new Prime Minister has remained the same: privatization and the land market.

He also said yesterday that Ukraine will supply water to Crimea, Zelensky's adviser denied it today. But Shmygal further insists that Ukrainians live in Crimea, so it is necessary to supply water (in fact, for ordinary Crimean residents there is enough water, there is not enough water for Russian invaders to build strategic military facilities)

Also yesterday evening, Verkhovna Rada expressed distrust of Attorney General Ruslan Ryaboshapka. The unofficial reason for this is that he did not sign the suspicion of former President Petro Poroshenko. Under his leadership, the Attorney General's Office has greatly improved its work, and has begun investigating cases that no one has investigated for years. Ryaboshapka began to exercise his independence and refused to persecute political opponents, so he was dismissed

Isn't Russia building new infrastructure from the mainland to the province anyway?

Crimea is no longer Ukraine's problem, so I don't see why you should waste your resources on it, especially considering a wealthier country is now in control of the territory.
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Omega21
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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2020, 05:22:12 PM »

Yesterday I watched "The Right to Power" where the new Prime Minister Shmygal and two members of his Cabinet (Health Minister Ilya Yemets and Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba) made their first appearance. A little analysis:

After hearing Shmygal's public address for the first time, I was pleased because he seemed smarter than Goncharuk. It is a pity that it was not long.

Yesterday on the air of the TV channel "1 + 1" he incorrectly answered the Gerasimov's question (the basic question concerning Ukrainian parliamentarism), and then showed that he is not guided at all in the rules of international law. He declined to name any figures related to the economy, saying that: "people do not want to hear the numbers, people are tired of them"

Shmygal is a man of Akhmetov. Now there is a struggle for influence between Kolomoysky and Akhmetov. The course of the new Prime Minister has remained the same: privatization and the land market.

He also said yesterday that Ukraine will supply water to Crimea, Zelensky's adviser denied it today. But Shmygal further insists that Ukrainians live in Crimea, so it is necessary to supply water (in fact, for ordinary Crimean residents there is enough water, there is not enough water for Russian invaders to build strategic military facilities)

Also yesterday evening, Verkhovna Rada expressed distrust of Attorney General Ruslan Ryaboshapka. The unofficial reason for this is that he did not sign the suspicion of former President Petro Poroshenko. Under his leadership, the Attorney General's Office has greatly improved its work, and has begun investigating cases that no one has investigated for years. Ryaboshapka began to exercise his independence and refused to persecute political opponents, so he was dismissed

Isn't Russia building new infrastructure from the mainland to the province anyway?

Crimea is no longer Ukraine's problem, so I don't see why you should waste your resources on it, especially considering a wealthier country is now in control of the territory.

Crimea is Ukrainian territory. And I never recognize Crimea as Russian territory. Today, Shmygal denied his statement and announced that Ukraine would not supply water until the Crimean de-occupation

According to the Geneva Convention, occupiers are responsible for the humanitarian needs in the occupied territories. Therefore, I do not understand why Ukraine should supply water to Crimea, providing Russian military and industrial facilities with resources

I also wouldn't call Russia much wealthier country

I said "is in control of the territory", not "is Russian territory". The first one is just a fact of control, not a legal status.

I mean, it is much wealthier compared to Ukraine... Whatever numbers you look at the average or median salaries are at least 50% higher. Of course, Russia is still pretty poor compared to Western Europe.

I mean realistically it's unlikely it'll come back under Ukrainian control in the foreseeable future, and the stuff you said about humanitarian needs in occupied territories is kinda... overblown, considering most of the people there actually want to be part of Russia and are Russian.

Not that that gives them the right to take control of the territory, I'm just saying.

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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2020, 01:34:09 PM »

I do not blame you in any way. I fully understand and acknowledge that Crimea is unlikely to return to Ukrainian control for at least the next 50 years

Yeah, that's the most likely scenario for the next 50 years or so. I mean in a 100 years who knows, maybe China is the leader of the world or maybe they fail and get relegated on the world stage, no way we can really know...

I did want to ask you about the situation in East Ukraine, as finding objective English news on that is not very easy. I can read a bit of Russian/Ukrainian but it's too much of a strain for me to get through a complex article.

Are there any talks in progress or ceasefires? It's unlikely they'll manage to secede, so I'm more interested if there are any semi-autonomous province options on the table etc.

I watched a lot of heavy stuff but nothing hit me like that GoPro video of the Ukranian squad that got KIA and then the Separatists found his phone and called back his mother... You probably know what I mean.

Very sad conflict all around, even worse considering it's 2 practically blood identical groups killing each other.
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