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Question: Huh
#1
Clinton (I support Clinton)
 
#2
Clinton (I support Trump)
 
#3
Clinton (I support Other)
 
#4
Trump (I support Clinton)
 
#5
Trump (I support Trump)
 
#6
Trump (I support Other)
 
#7
Tie (I support Clinton)
 
#8
Tie (I support Trump)
 
#9
Tie (I support Other)
 
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Total Voters: 215

Author Topic: Who won the debate?  (Read 6081 times)
Lyin' Steve
SteveMcQueen
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« on: October 19, 2016, 09:21:18 PM »

Not voting because the debate's not over.
You should lock it until the debate ends.
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Lyin' Steve
SteveMcQueen
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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2016, 09:33:23 PM »

My take:

This debate was just like the previous two.

Trump complains and complains and complains and has no solutions.  He claims things are ridiculous, a disaster, a complete mess, what have you, but he clearly has no idea what he's actually talking about beyond a vague memory of watching Fox News talk about it.  He states facts that are blatantly wrong -- not just a matter of opinion, although he has plenty of wrong opinions too, but just things that are the complete opposite of what's true and are easily verifiable as false.  It's like if he said the U.S. had 57 states or something.  But most of the time he doesn't even bother with facts, he just rattles of insults, sometimes the same insult over and over again like he's just listing a thesaurus.  "It's a disaster.  It's a total. complete. disaster.  It's a total mess."  Then his coup de gras is to blame Clinton for every single thing that's wrong.  If she was a Senator, why didn't she fix it?  In the thirty years she's been in power (going way back to when she was first lady of Arkansas in 1986-1992) why hasn't she solved every single problem?  She won't because she can't.  I rest my case.  By the way, for all Trump's claims that Clinton is an oh-so-terrible canned politician, he repeats the same prepared lines constantly.  This is the third debate where we've heard the exact same rant about "why are we telling ISIS our plans?"

Clinton refuses to go for the kill.  She weasels out of easy lay-ups where Trump leaves huge openings.  She avoids defending herself at all against Trump's onslaught of insults and dodges the moderator's questions.  All of her answers are clearly prepared.  She's polished, shiny, extremely good at delivery, she makes good points and attacks.  Furthermore, when she actually gets into the weeds of policy, she's very smart and clearly knows what she's talking about and actually has well-structured plans that most people should support.  There's something frustratingly fake and careful about her, but she's the much better candidate.

In my opinion, Clinton absolutely demolished Trump.  She was smarter, had real plans and answers, didn't constantly lie and rely on total conspiracy theories, knew what the hell she was talking about, was far more presidential, and made a number of attacks against Trump that he was unable to respond to.  In the opinion of the American people?  People just hear what they want to hear.  If they want to like Trump, they'll ignore all the obvious things he did wrong.  They'll say they don't care about his complete lack of knowledge, ideas, intelligence, etc. and then complain about Clinton making minor versions of Trump's major sins.

Clinton is by far the better candidate and has consistently whipped Trump in these debates.  She will win the election in a well-deserved landslide.  But frustratingly, some 40% of people will think Trump won this debate no matter what.  He could wet his pants on stage, say North Korea is helping us fight ISIS, and pledge to ship all Catholics to Putin's gulags, and 40% of people would still say he won the debate.
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Lyin' Steve
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2016, 10:27:19 PM »

What I don't understand is why this poll is so slanted toward Hillary?  This site is completely neutral, and everybody is welcome to post.  Unless someone is rigging it!

Because she won.  Anyone who isn't completely lost in Trump's spin zone can see that, just like we could all see clearly that Obama lost the first debate in 2012 despite mostly supporting him.
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