Kasich: Don't drink alcohol if you don't want to get raped

[Lyin' Steve]

Maybe we just shouldn't give kids this sort of common sense advice and let them find out the hard way.  Is that what you want?

[Lyin' Steve]

You should avoid parties with alcohol involved if you do not have people you trust around you. It is common sense. Sure, we should focus more on the men and women who sexually assault individuals. However, don't put yourself in bad situations because you are partially to blame

Victim blaming. Why am I not surprised.

So the party that preaches about taking personal responsibility now wants to claim that if you go to a party where OTHERS are drinking and something bad happens to you because of the people who were drinking, it's YOUR fault for being there in the first place. In other words, you were asking for it. 

I really don't get the Republican fascination with rape: legitimate rape, forcible rape, date rape. Maybe it's because most of them have so many problems getting laid, I don't know.

Fact of the matter is that not everyone who drinks turns into a rapist, so the Republican hacks on here defending the "moderate hero" Kasich's comments by blaming the alcohol is a copout. You're giving rapists an excuse for their criminal behavior: the booze made me do it! "She should have known that alcohol turns horny frat boys into rapists, so it's her fault for being at our party!"

This is strange to me seeing as how they never blame guns when a mass shooting occurs, it's always the typical NRA mantra, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." Hey Republicans, "Alcohol doesn't rape people, people rape people."

Way to work on that outreach to the female vote, though!

It's the democrats who are fascinated with rape.  Why do you want so hard to believe that we are blaming the victim?  Who is blaming anyone?  All Kasich or anyone in this thread has done is give good, common sense advice for how to avoid danger.  You are the one making the leap to blaming the girl for getting raped because she didn't take our advice.

[Lyin' Steve]

Imagine if someone asked a candidate what they would do about terrorism, and they said "I have one bit of advice: avoid major cities, and don't fly on airplanes unless you absolutely have to."

Now do you understand what's wrong with this?

(As an aside, I just noticed that Kasich used the word "coeds" to refer to female college students. I didn't know anyone still used that word in that sense.)

I understand your argument is fallacious

and what does that say about your (identical) argument?

My argument isnt identical. Your comparison is fallacious

do explain what you think the difference is

I can explain.
Wild, drunken, underage college parties are well known to be dangerous and places where sexual assaul, violence, drug abuse, and other crimes occur at a significantly higher rate.  Furthermore, from Kasich's perspective as a concerned adult at least, there's no real unique benefit to going to these parties.
Going to major cities and flying on airplanes will not put you at a significantly higher risk of terrorism because terrorism is so low in the first place.  Additionally there are obvious benefits to doing those things, so the marginal cost of not going to them far exceeds the risk taken by the minutely higher risk of terrorism.  So it's not good advice.
A better analogy would be "I have one bit of advice:  Don't go to Somalia or the Afghan/Pakistan border unless you absolutely have to"

[Lyin' Steve]

I hate alcohol and I don't think Kasich is going anywhere. I'm just not a misogynist victim blamer like TNVolunteer.

Where and when have I said that the victim is to blame for the rape?

It's more that you (and Kasich) are implying that the way to deal with the problem of rape is by giving advice to the potential victims, rather than trying to stopping the rapists themselves.

Also you're just a misogynist in general.

Since when is giving advice to potential victims a bad thing, and how does that make you a victim blamer.
We have DARE to teach kids to avoid drugs and self-defense classes for women to avoid getting assaulted or raped.  When I was a kid we had the stranger danger program and were told to look both ways before crossing the street.  I guess America is just full of people who blame the victim when kids take drugs, get kidnapped by strangers and are run over by cars.

Somalia, Afghanistan, and Pakistan aren't part of the United States, so there's a limited number of things that the US Government can do about them.

Maybe a better analogy would be this: "What do you plan on doing about the crime that's common in some parts of the US?" "I have one bit of advice: Stay away from East St. Louis."

Except he didn't just give that advice.  He also did what you seem to want, which is he talked about how the Ohio state government has taken several steps to ensure that the legal process protects women at colleges.  It would more be like "we're doing X Y and Z to try to bring crime down, especially in the bad areas of town.  For your own safety, though, I would still advise you to stay out of East St. Louis after dark."

Nothing he said is wrong. Alcohol parties are dangerous and really it is stupid for a teenage girl to go, especially alone. That isnt saying it is here fault if things happen, but if you want to be safe it is foolish to put yourself in such obvious danger.

If a woman going to a party is "putting herself in obvious danger" then there is something pretty fcked up about your party culture.

If walking down the street meant you got shot with high probability you'd probably talk more about street safety.

True, a fact that's not really relevant to this conversation is that college parties aren't actually particularly dangerous and rape statistics on college campuses are a yellow journalism cottage industry these days.

[Lyin' Steve]

Well it comes across as a bit worse than merely patronising doesn't it; the implication is that the victim was asking for it. Which is a disgusting sentiment.

It's only in your twisted mind that that's the implication, what a shame.