What is up with the Biden hysteria?

[Senator Spark]

I mean I can understand supporting an exciting/energetic/charismatic candidate who represents the future of the Democratic Party.. but c'mon guys. This man pledged to serve ONE term. If he is elected, it'd be a disaster for not only his party but the entire country. I sincerely doubt that the US would be willing to shift horses mid race so to speak during a time of crisis. If the country recovers by November, how can anyone dispute that Trump would not be favored?

Bottom line is that Joe Biden isn't winning with polling at 47% nationally or even 50. He needs to be over that mark if he wants to have any chance of defeating an incumbent president. In order to win the Big Three, he has to be at 50% at the minimum consistently. His polling is atrocious.

I could see myself supporting a Democrat in 2024 just not awful candidates like Clinton or Biden. It's nothing personal just trying to understand different perspectives. Let me know..

[Senator Spark]

If he is elected, it'd be a disaster for not only his party but the entire country.

So you're fine with Trump getting reelected then?

Yes. Just think about how radically quick the US policy would have to change. It would send even more mixed messages around the world. As a Democrat, I'm actually embarrassed that they will nominate Biden.

[Senator Spark]

What is this "hysteria" of which you speak of?

Is this what Bernie Busters like yourself suffer from?

Many posters speak like it is inevitable that Biden will prevail. Nothing is guaranteed for either side.

[Senator Spark]

Literally all polls indicate Biden is leading, and has been for the past year. Your assertion that Trump is favored by any indication as of now is much closer to hysteria.

Polls mean nothing folks. Look forward to you being wrong again. Heavily biased/large MOE, etc.

[Senator Spark]

What is this "hysteria" of which you speak of?

Is this what Bernie Busters like yourself suffer from?

Many posters speak like it is inevitable that Biden will prevail. Nothing is guaranteed for either side.

But you speak like Trump is inevitable/

No. Trump is not. Biden has a chance to win this election.

[Senator Spark]

Literally all polls indicate Biden is leading, and has been for the past year. Your assertion that Trump is favored by any indication as of now is much closer to hysteria.

Polls mean nothing folks. Look forward to you being wrong again.

If polls mean nothing to you, you shouldn't be on a political forum.

This far out it's impossible to place stock in biased polling. I belong here make no mistake about that. It's the (somewhat) different perspectives that make the forum a better place.

[Senator Spark]

My honest opinion is that most of the posters on this forum are trying to convince themselves something that they know isn't true "Biden looks like an almost lock"!. They know deep down Trump is a ruthless campaigner who will find a way to win.

Yeah Trump appeals to people on a gut level, it's "us or them", my tribe or their tribe. After all is said and done, all the debates, ads, mobilization efforts, October surprises, schemes and secret operations, and earth shattering global events have occurred, tribalism is more powerful than anything. Friend and enemy. People form community bonds by identifying an outsider group as the threat.

Trump will cast himself as "one of you" and cast blacks, other minorities, etc. and their allies on the left and in the professional class as "the other" to appeal to this, and why he will win in the end. I think everybody knows this deep down.

This. Trump is a media master. He knows how to use the media in order to persuade and win over his audiences.

[Senator Spark]

Literally all polls indicate Biden is leading, and has been for the past year. Your assertion that Trump is favored by any indication as of now is much closer to hysteria.

Polls mean nothing folks. Look forward to you being wrong again.

If polls mean nothing to you, you shouldn't be on a political forum.

This far out it's impossible to place stock in biased polling. I belong here make no mistake about that. It's the (somewhat) different perspectives that make the forum a better place.

So is every high quality poll released since March biased? Trump is down right now, and you would be well served to recognize that and that this isn't going to be an easy for race for Trump.

Yes, almost. There are some good pollsters. And it's not going to be a walk in the park but the incumbent is favored.

[Senator Spark]

Literally all polls indicate Biden is leading, and has been for the past year. Your assertion that Trump is favored by any indication as of now is much closer to hysteria.

Polls mean nothing folks. Look forward to you being wrong again.

If polls mean nothing to you, you shouldn't be on a political forum.

This far out it's impossible to place stock in biased polling. I belong here make no mistake about that. It's the (somewhat) different perspectives that make the forum a better place.

So is every high quality poll released since March biased? Trump is down right now, and you would be well served to recognize that and that this isn't going to be an easy for race for Trump.

Yes, almost. There are some good pollsters. And it's not going to be a walk in the park but the incumbent is favored.

Alright, find me a "good pollster" who has produced a good result for Trump since the beginning of April.

YouGov on 6/2. There was a sample of 1,486 LV. #Bidenunder50. His polling overall has been terrible during this crisis. Any other challenger would probably be up over 10 points nationally. It gives credence to SN's argument that Biden is a weak challenger.

[Senator Spark]

Literally all polls indicate Biden is leading, and has been for the past year. Your assertion that Trump is favored by any indication as of now is much closer to hysteria.

Polls mean nothing folks. Look forward to you being wrong again.

If polls mean nothing to you, you shouldn't be on a political forum.

This far out it's impossible to place stock in biased polling. I belong here make no mistake about that. It's the (somewhat) different perspectives that make the forum a better place.

So is every high quality poll released since March biased? Trump is down right now, and you would be well served to recognize that and that this isn't going to be an easy for race for Trump.

Yes, almost. There are some good pollsters. And it's not going to be a walk in the park but the incumbent is favored.

Alright, find me a "good pollster" who has produced a good result for Trump since the beginning of April.

YouGov on 6/2. There was a sample of 1,486 LV. #Bidenunder50

47-43 Biden is a +4 lead, he would almost certainly win if that was his margin... and this is clearly an outlier. More polls have shown Biden leading by 10 than by less than 5 since May.

Biden ain't winning with 47%. The man needs to be at 55% to compensate for the MOE, mobilization efforts, and other tactics Trump is capable of pulling off. He pulled off a miracle in 2016 and we will witness a more likely one in 2020. He cannot win PA, WI, MI without being at 50% period.

[Senator Spark]

Literally all polls indicate Biden is leading, and has been for the past year. Your assertion that Trump is favored by any indication as of now is much closer to hysteria.

Polls mean nothing folks. Look forward to you being wrong again.

If polls mean nothing to you, you shouldn't be on a political forum.

This far out it's impossible to place stock in biased polling. I belong here make no mistake about that. It's the (somewhat) different perspectives that make the forum a better place.

So is every high quality poll released since March biased? Trump is down right now, and you would be well served to recognize that and that this isn't going to be an easy for race for Trump.

Yes, almost. There are some good pollsters. And it's not going to be a walk in the park but the incumbent is favored.

Alright, find me a "good pollster" who has produced a good result for Trump since the beginning of April.

YouGov on 6/2. There was a sample of 1,486 LV. #Bidenunder50

47-43 Biden is a +4 lead, he would almost certainly win if that was his margin... and this is clearly an outlier. More polls have shown Biden leading by 10 than by less than 5 since May.

Biden ain't winning with 47%. The man needs to be at 55% to compensate for the MOE, mobilization efforts, and other tactics Trump is capable of pulling off. He pulled off a miracle in 2016 and we will witness a more likely one in 2020. He cannot win PA, WI, MI without being at 50% period.

Latest Fox News Polls had Biden at or near 50 in PA, WI, and MI. Trump with 40-42.

That's a good start. But he needs to be at 50% nationally on a consistent basis.

[Senator Spark]

Are you not tired of our terrible leadership in the middle of crises? Are you not tired of rich people running our government? Are you not tired of gridlock and the economic status quo of Reaganomics? Do you really think with a straight face after the chaos of the last few months, Trump is what we need going forward?

I have reservations that Joe Biden is the true change agent but one thing is for sure. He’s far better on policy and more competent than Trump.

Democrats are more for the rich than Trump is. Most people that I know that are Democrats are rich nowadays. The party really isn't a working class party anymore. Democrats base is highly educated, upper middle class voters now. Trump is the only President in my lifetime to stand up to China and to literally focus on bringing jobs back. He said America first. It sounds silly to a lot but those were powerful words to me and I am sure a lot of Americans, not just Republicans. He did get 12% of Bernie voters.

You honestly think Joe Biden who has been in office for 50 years can change the gridlock in DC and can be an agent of change? It just sounds ridiculous. Trump is a shake up to the system. It's a fact. You may not like that shake up but he has shaken up the system which is why so many people can't stand him. Democrats pretend to be for change when they aren't. Hillary was literally the most status quo candidate to ever run for office probably.

Outside of the first two lines, I don’t really disagree. I have reservations on Biden (though my gridlock comment was more directed at Spark in particular since he presumably wants a Democratic Senate based on his avatar color) and I do question whether he is the needed shake up or strong enough on trade (where I at least occasionally agree with Trump if you want to be nice) or even issues like financial regulation. But Trump tried to throw 30 million people off their health care, and in his first year passed a multi trillion dollar tax cut, left us woefully unprepared for a pandemic that will likely result in extending an admittedly unavoidable recession, is guilty of corruption with regards to his businesses, and has lacked competence in the aftermath of Floyd’s death. Joe Biden has not.

A D Senate is inevitable.