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Statilius the Epicurean
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Junior Chimp
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« on: May 22, 2022, 03:54:01 PM »

TL;DR: "everything I don't like is the failure of liberalism"

Weird article. Since the first and harshest lockdowns have been in China, is the author claiming that the Communist Party of China is liberal?
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Statilius the Epicurean
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« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2022, 04:28:59 PM »

This is a very well-written piece about what I see as the fatal flaw of modern liberalism: its tendency toward a totalizing project of maximizing the "utility" of humans, as understood by statistical metrics legible to thumos-less bean counters deep within an impenetrable bureaucratic state. The result is a regime in which humans are simply replaceable and interchangeable utility-generating cogs, stripped of their inner lives, and in which soul and spirit are frowned upon. I don't see how in today's society liberalism can be separated from this tendency.

Like, even accepting this characterisation, in what sense is all this "liberalism"? It's just modern society. People want more wealth and to live longer and be happier, and elect governments and construct bureaucracies to make decisions for them that attempt to facilitate that. What even is the alternative vision of society? In what ways would the "high-minded civic republicanism characteristic of the American founding" be any different? Would there no longer be any specialist medical knowledge, so public health bureaucracies wouldn't exist? Would governments and the electorate no longer care about people dying en masse from pandemics, presumably because everyone is so virtuous and fulfilled?

When the theatres of London were closed for 14 months in 1592-3 due to plague, was that the "subterranean core of the liberal project" asserting itself attempting to "remake man"? Or just governments doing what they've always done during epidemics?  

The vibe I get is "society would be better if I was dictator and could force everyone do what I want and value what I value". Death of liberalism indeed.
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2022, 10:31:32 PM »

Nothing Xi is doing, from selling off of SOEs to presenting this cosmopolitan kitsch monoculture of Han people as the norm, is anything different from what liberals in Western Europe or the Anglophone do. You have no argument on how the CCP isn’t already towards liberalism enough to qualify for the moniker.

I don't think China has sold off SOEs in recent years, and if anything the current trend is towards greater party-state control over the economy. And I'll skip the whitewashing of recent Uyghur and other minority suppression. But even accepting your characterisation, a definition of liberalism as = private ownership + cultural homogenisation would seem to make almost every government in human history liberal, including e.g. Nazi Germany. But this is just entirely divorced from the way the term has been used and understood historically and today.
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