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Kingpoleon
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« on: June 11, 2021, 01:25:17 AM »

I have met far too many clever people who were desperately immoral to deny the reality of Hell.
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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2021, 11:55:27 AM »

I have met far too many clever people who were desperately immoral to deny the reality of Hell.
I beg to differ. The idea of a Sikh man going to a Christian hell makes zero sense.
I was actually referring to a Calvinist acquaintance of mine.
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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2021, 01:56:38 AM »

What I mean is that non Christians in a Christian hell shows how absurd the idea of Hell is.
I find myself baffled by your theological insight.
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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2021, 11:01:03 AM »

Look at John Shelby Spong statement on the issue of Hell. This man is a pastor and he even acknowledges the position of Hell was used as a scar tactic by the church, something that those who are serious about their faith should look into.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6I5VSZVqc

Look at Michael Behe statement on the issue of Evolution. This man is a biochemist and even he acknowledges the position of Evolution was used as justification for Holocaust, something that those who are serious about Evolution should look into.
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2021, 09:49:26 AM »

Look at Michael Behe statement on the issue of Evolution. This man is a biochemist and even he acknowledges the position of Evolution was used as justification for Holocaust, something that those who are serious about Evolution should look into.
He’s not a credible source by any definition. They used social Darwinism, not evolution. Whales did once live on land and have legs.
I’m pretty clearly mocking the idea that one fringe person in a group shows the rest of the group to liars.

Why are you baffled?

It's fairly obvious his point is that he believes it to be absurd for someone to be judged by a belief system one doesn't share and might not even have heard of.
He wouldn’t be being judged by “a belief system” - AFAIK, no Christian church claims to know the calculus of whether or not any specific non believer goes to Hell - but by God, the very ground of being. If He is the Good itself, I cannot see a reasonable objection to being judged by the Good. Indeed, it is imitation of this judgment that we feebly attempt when we engage in moral judgment.
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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2021, 06:00:36 PM »

The idea that God is the very ground of being is itself a belief system. For that matter, would a just God condemn someone for not believing in God when that one was never given a chance to believe.
I think most non fundamentalist Christians would agree with Wesley on this point:

“It cannot be doubted, but this plea [lack of knowledge] will avail for millions of modern Heathens. Inasmuch as to them little is given, of them little will be required. As to the ancient Heathens, millions of them, likewise were savages. No more therefore will be expected of them, than the living up to the light they had. But many of them, especially in the civilized nations, we have great reason to hope, although they lived among Heathens, yet were quite of another spirit; being taught of God, by His inward voice, all the essentials of true religion. Yea, and so was that Mahometan, and Arabian, who, a century or two ago, wrote the Life of Hai Ebn Yokdan. The story seems to be feigned; but it contains all the principles of pure religion and undefiled.”

“Yet it is not our part to pass sentence upon them, but to leave them to their own Master.”

“Perhaps there may be some well-meaning persons who carry this farther still; who aver, that whatever change is wrought in men, whether in their hearts or lives, yet if they have not clear views of those capital doctrines, the fall of man, justification by faith, and of the atonement made by the death of Christ, and of his righteousness transferred to them, they can have no benefit from his death. I dare in no wise affirm this. Indeed I do not believe it. I believe the merciful God regards the lives and tempers of men more than their ideas. I believe he respects the goodness of the heart rather than the clearness of the head; and that if the heart of a man be filled (by the grace of God, and the power of his Spirit) with the humble, gentle, patient love of God and man, God will not cast him into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels because his ideas are not clear, or because his conceptions are confused. Without holiness, I own, ‘no man shall see the Lord;’ but I dare not add, ‘or clear ideas.’”

The idea of a baptized heathen is a fairly traditional doctrine in Christendom, and it is, to my knowledge, predominantly Lutherans and Calvinists who are hostile to any notion of anonymous Christians.
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