Kasich threatens to leave GOP

[Kingpoleon]

John Kasich used to be considered fairly hard right lol. How times have changed.

Are you talking about his past support for Bill Clinton's welfare reforms? Past opposition to intervention for Yugoslavia? He was never an ideologue.

[Kingpoleon]

John Kasich is the guy who put strong restrictions on abortion, voted for the war in Iraq, supported NAFTA, Patriot Act & cut welfare & has proposed gutting the pre-existing conditions in ACA by granting the states a waiver. This guy is such a warmonger that he wanted to punch Russia in the nose by playing war-war with Putin - That was his claim in a GOP debate instead of some serious policy to counter Putin.

This is the guy who blasted the Paris Climate Change Conference & wanted on waging new wars. In which world does he become a moderate? Only when the current GOP is a band of extremists. Kasich is a war worse candidate that what Hillary Clinton was - I have no idea why Democrats would even think of supporting him.

Paul Ryan, a strong right wing conservative is a RINO & Kasich is a moderate? What has the world come to!

Mostly False!

- Kasich opposed withdrawing from the Paris Agreement, saying at one debate in the election: "The fact is that you can have a strong environmental policy at the same time that you have strong economic growth; they are not inconsistent with one another."

- A twenty to twenty-four week ban on abortions is supported by a majority of Americans.

- He opposes the Patriot Act now, for the most part.

- Supporting free trade is rarely considered "far-right", considering even progressive Democrats support free trade for the most part.

- Welfare is a vastly, unfortunately complex system, and cannot be simplified to "cutting" or "expanding".

- Using a metaphor hardly makes him a warmonger. Kasich opposed Iraq and the Bosnian intervention.

[Kingpoleon]

John Kasich is the guy who put strong restrictions on abortion, voted for the war in Iraq, supported NAFTA, Patriot Act & cut welfare & has proposed gutting the pre-existing conditions in ACA by granting the states a waiver. This guy is such a warmonger that he wanted to punch Russia in the nose by playing war-war with Putin - That was his claim in a GOP debate instead of some serious policy to counter Putin.

This is the guy who blasted the Paris Climate Change Conference & wanted on waging new wars. In which world does he become a moderate? Only when the current GOP is a band of extremists. Kasich is a war worse candidate that what Hillary Clinton was - I have no idea why Democrats would even think of supporting him.

Paul Ryan, a strong right wing conservative is a RINO & Kasich is a moderate? What has the world come to!

Mostly False!

- Kasich opposed withdrawing from the Paris Agreement, saying at one debate in the election: "The fact is that you can have a strong environmental policy at the same time that you have strong economic growth; they are not inconsistent with one another."

- A twenty to twenty-four week ban on abortions is supported by a majority of Americans.

- He opposes the Patriot Act now, for the most part.

- Supporting free trade is rarely considered "far-right", considering even progressive Democrats support free trade for the most part.

- Welfare is a vastly, unfortunately complex system, and cannot be simplified to "cutting" or "expanding".

- Using a metaphor hardly makes him a warmonger. Kasich opposed Iraq and the Bosnian intervention.

Support for free trade in 2017 would absolutely be considered more "economically" conservative by most people.

Sure, but supporting NAFTA isn't some extremist position.

[Kingpoleon]

Heres Kasich's problems:
He isn't anything that people believe him to be, he isn't a nice guy, he isnt a moderate, he isn't a conservative, and he hasnt really accomplished anything.

People point to a balanced budget that never happened, or an economic boom in Ohio that never happened.  Hes a jerk, hes a flip flopper who has waffled on everything every cycle, hes engaged in shady and ridiculous maneuvers, and he couldn't win a republican primary in his home state for any office right now.

Rubio flipflopping days after a debate to a new position on drafting women is the definition of waffling, which is why it doesn't make sense to defend him in the context of attacking Kasich, as he's vulnerable to similar criticisms. I've documented  the shady maneuvers & positioning of the other candidates, and when you respond by invoking an ideological argument, again, that ideological defense works more when you're trying to defend Cruz, but not so much Rubio.

You're trying to point out Kasich's perceived hypocrisies and ideological inconsistencies, that's fine, but a grassroots candidate providing the contrast to that is someone more like Cruz.

 defend Kasich rather than deflecting to Rubio.

Kasich has decades of flip flops, you point out the fact that he flipped on drafting females?

I respect Rubio 100x over Kasich, because he's been less of a disgusting self serving person, is that because hes been office for a shorter time? maybe? even then I'd probably STILL respect Rubio more because at the end of the day hes actually a nice person unlike kasich

Interesting thing about flip flops. No one ever accuses Obama or Clinton of "flip flopping" on gay marriage, for instance. Views of politicians change over time.