The TrumpCare comes back from the dead (...and lives!) thread

[mvd10]

I'm not really sure whether this would hurt the GOP in 2018. They are most vulnerable in Romney/Clinton districts (or districts who voted for Romney and trended Dem). These are not the kind of districts that you lose by stripping millions of people of their healthcare.

It's still terrible though. Obamacare isn't the main driver of the debt and the economic growth that comes from repealing a 3.8% investment tax isn't going to magically insure 20 million people. It's probably time to reconsider my avatar lol. I hope it won't pass the senate.

The worst part of it is that they could have spent their time on something useful. They should make cosmetic changes to Obamacare, declare victory and move on to reforming the tax system (or medicare/social security reform but that's not going to pass).

I completely agree with J_American btw, some of the attacks here are disgusting.

[mvd10]

Some of you guys need to chill with these low-blow attacks. Yes, these Republicans who voted for this are scumbags and I want them to lose their seats and hopefully face their conscience no less than anyone else here. In fact, I already wrote my Congressman who voted for this law a very strongly worded message of condemnation. But hoping their children get chronic conditions? Wanting them to get hit by an ambulance? Come on, you know that's not right.

Republicans have repeatedly shown their sense of compassion is only activated if they or someone they care about struggles with the issue at hand. It takes their children coming out as gay to treat gay people with any sense of respect. It takes years of torture in a Vietnam PoW camp to realize that torturing our enemies not is bad. So yes, I absolutely hope Jason's Chaffetz's kids all have to be put into iron lungs.

Because it's the fault of those kids that Chaffetz is a coward? More dead people aren't going to make the situation better.

[mvd10]

Some of you guys need to chill with these low-blow attacks. Yes, these Republicans who voted for this are scumbags and I want them to lose their seats and hopefully face their conscience no less than anyone else here. In fact, I already wrote my Congressman who voted for this law a very strongly worded message of condemnation. But hoping their children get chronic conditions? Wanting them to get hit by an ambulance? Come on, you know that's not right.

Republicans have repeatedly shown their sense of compassion is only activated if they or someone they care about struggles with the issue at hand. It takes their children coming out as gay to treat gay people with any sense of respect. It takes years of torture in a Vietnam PoW camp to realize that torturing our enemies not is bad. So yes, I absolutely hope Jason's Chaffetz's kids all have to be put into iron lungs.

Because it's the fault of those kids that Chaffetz is a coward? More dead people aren't going to make the situation better.

Ironic coming from the biggest supporter of Israel's treatment of Palestinian children.

I have never posted anything about Israel on this forum. You probably are confusing me with DavidB.

[mvd10]

Some of you guys need to chill with these low-blow attacks. Yes, these Republicans who voted for this are scumbags and I want them to lose their seats and hopefully face their conscience no less than anyone else here. In fact, I already wrote my Congressman who voted for this law a very strongly worded message of condemnation. But hoping their children get chronic conditions? Wanting them to get hit by an ambulance? Come on, you know that's not right.

Republicans have repeatedly shown their sense of compassion is only activated if they or someone they care about struggles with the issue at hand. It takes their children coming out as gay to treat gay people with any sense of respect. It takes years of torture in a Vietnam PoW camp to realize that torturing our enemies not is bad. So yes, I absolutely hope Jason's Chaffetz's kids all have to be put into iron lungs.

Because it's the fault of those kids that Chaffetz is a coward? More dead people aren't going to make the situation better.

Ironic coming from the biggest supporter of Israel's treatment of Palestinian children.

I have never posted anything about Israel on this forum. You probably are confusing me with DavidB.

Damn, you are correct. Reported for impersonating DavidB., how dare you trick me.

Reported for confusing me with DavidB. I'm much sexier. And blue is much nicer than orange.

[mvd10]

KY GOP Sen Paul on Fox. Says GOPers voted to pay taxpayer money to insurance companies.
https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/860233627245924352

And that's one down. I suppose the other purists (Cruz and Lee) also are going to vote against it. If you please them you lose people like Portman and Collins. It's probably going to die in the senate. But atleast Ryan can claim the failure wasn't his fault. I suppose that was the whole idea behind it.

[mvd10]

What the House passed was written so as to only consist of stuff that would be considered "budgetary" in nature.

Okay. Thanks.

So in theory the GOP could unilaterally repeal the ACA with 51 votes?

r/WellThatSucks

Well, that depends on what the Senate parliamentarian decides in regards to the Byrd rule.

The presiding officer of the Senate (Pence) can just overrule the parliamentarian if he wants to. I don't think he is going to do that (for the same reason most Republicans don't want to nuke the filibuster) but it's always possible.

[mvd10]

At this point, if Republicans want to give away their majorities over a awful healthcare bill that will strip the coverage or raise the premiums of tens of millions of people, then that is on them. They will have to suffer through a backlash and in the end, they just make it easier for Democrats to enact more substantial reforms that people actually want.

People don't want single-payer though. Perhaps the polls show that they are in favor but I doubt most Americans know what single-payer would mean. Once the Democrats actually try something like single-payer all hell will break loose and the backlash will be much worse than Obamacare. There are many people without healthcare in the US (which is terrible) but there also are many middle-class people with decent coverage, and they really don't want the government to touch their healthcare (even though some of their fears may be ungrounded). And look at what happened with the single-payer proposal in Colorado. Healthcare reform just is extremely difficult and whichever side tries to do it basically is doomed to lose a lot of seats.

I've repeatedly said that a lot of Dems are too focused on single-payer. Single-payer isn't the goal, universal coverage is the goal. The best way probably is just to give people a huge refundable tax credit/subsidy if they purchase coverage, paid for by a VAT/national sales or other tax hikes and getting rid of the deduction for employer-sponsored healthcare. Or do something like the Swiss model. The individual mandate will be necessary in any case though.

But I completely agree that the GOP bill is complete suicide (and really cruel). Honestly, they should just get rid of some Obamacare regulations (like the employer mandate) and call it a victory. And if they really cared about reducing premiums they would to replace the employer-sponsored healthcare tax exclusion with a flat credit or flat deduction for anyone purchasing coverage. The main problem with American healthcare is the tax preference for employer-sponsored healthcare which drives up healthcare costs because it gives people incentives to buy inefficient and expensive coverage. Sure, trying to reform it would be suicide, but it's not like AHCA isn't suicide. And they still have their majorites till January 2019 which should be enough time to do the things they really care about (tax reform).