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MaC
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Junior Chimp
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« on: May 18, 2007, 10:54:24 PM »

Yeah, Communism is really f'ed up. America's had its moments too, though. A slavery based capitalist system, which is what we used to be all about produced outrageous death tolls as well.

Are you opebo or something? 
Capitalism is the only moral political-economic system.
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MaC
Milk_and_cereal
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2007, 12:30:40 PM »

Yeah, Communism is really f'ed up. America's had its moments too, though. A slavery based capitalist system, which is what we used to be all about produced outrageous death tolls as well.

Are you opebo or something? 
Capitalism is the only moral political-economic system.

I was talking about before the Civil War. I should have been clearer when I said "used to be."

Southern slavery was not "capitalist" by any stretch of the imagination.  If anything, that system was quite feudal in origin.

You might have a better case with your statement by looking at Northern economies post-Civil War to 1900 or the English economy from about 1830-1880, though the workers there weren't "literally" slaves.

Southern slavery is what made the Industrial Revolution and the beginnings of modern capitalism possible. It was all about textiles in those days, and the cotton was rooted in slavery.

The northern economy wasn't limited to textiles though.  Indeed it was a large part of the economy and the southern economy was mostly on the agricultural sect.

Sam hits it on the head, when he says that the slave system was a pre-capitalist system (that was on it's way out).

To your assertion though, I would disagree.  Had the south never had slavery, they would've used different technology and means to produce (as it was turning this way-slavery would've ended by the late 1800s if left alone because it was inherently ineffecient).
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MaC
Milk_and_cereal
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2007, 10:50:02 PM »


he wasn't wrong about everything.  Just most things.
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MaC
Milk_and_cereal
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2007, 10:49:56 AM »

Slavery didn't have a high death toll.

Weren't there more than a few deaths on the slave boats?

I'm not putting that into the equation considering the fact they weren't truly owned slaves yet.

OK, so slavery wasn't responsible...just the slave-trading industry and the demand for slavery.

That's kind of a trivial distinction, man.

One of the first things the founders in our country did was put a moratorium on the importation of slaves.  For most of the existence of what the United States had as slavery, trade existed mostly among the young slaves born in the country and those already here.
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MaC
Milk_and_cereal
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2007, 11:58:51 AM »

ok, you're right.

The point still stands as a reute to Alcon's argument though, so it's all good.
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