VA-GOV 2017: Utter Panic and Doom (General election: Nov 7th)

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Am I the only one who wouldn't mind either Perriello or Northam being governor?

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GREAT ad from Northam here, I think people underestimate the guys political skills.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYW6CVpO-Dk&feature=youtu.be

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Northam seems like a real nice lad IRL.

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Does anyone have any links to footage of the Democratic debate tonight? I missed the live stream and I can't find any other sources of footage.

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Basically the same as heatcharger^^^

I'd say the one exchange on guns was interesting. Perriello really tried to distance himself from that NRA endorsement, and even went so far as to attack Northam for being "the deciding vote" on gun safety. I wonder if this will be a topic in the next couple of debates.

Good stuff though, nonetheless.

I'm surprised that Virginia Democrats are shifting so far on gun control. Then again, McAuliffe was very pro gun control during his 2013 campaign.

I guess Jim Webb was the last of the mainstream pro-gun Virginian Democrats.

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Basically the same as heatcharger^^^

I'd say the one exchange on guns was interesting. Perriello really tried to distance himself from that NRA endorsement, and even went so far as to attack Northam for being "the deciding vote" on gun safety. I wonder if this will be a topic in the next couple of debates.

Good stuff though, nonetheless.

I'm surprised that Virginia Democrats are shifting so far on gun control. Then again, McAuliffe was very pro gun control during his 2013 campaign.

I guess Jim Webb was the last of the mainstream pro-gun Virginian Democrats.

It's all about NoVA now.

I feel like Perriello is less NoVA-centric than Northam, considering he's talked about giving more attention to counties other than NoVA and the Tidewater counties IIRC.

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I am really getting just depressed at the fact that many, I won't even say Perriello supporters, as it's really not him they are supporting, it's the downfall of the supposed "Centrist Democrats".

Is this really how we move forward?

Perriello, along with some of his supporters, have done a great job of helping push the VA Dems, and Northam in particular down the path of futhered progressivism that can now be achieved. But the thing that does annoy me is those who will not be impacted by this election, nor have any context of what is happening, bashing and denigrating many folks who will be required to win here.

I support Northam, because I think he has the experience and know-how of VA Politics to move this state forward. Does that mean I should attack Perriello as a woman-hating, pro-mass murder, evil creature? Of course not. His positions were his positions, and to be a politician, your positions will change and as a voter, you have to accept that.

Northam supports a $15 Minimum Wage, Free 2-year College Tuition with apprenticeship, Medicaid Expansion, and so many other supposedly solely "progressive" ideals. There is almost NO difference on policy between the candidates, despite the centrist vs. real-left, the media and some on here seem to believe.

I mean, I won't ask for the "can't we all just get along", but at least can we stop vilifying two fine candidates for the Virginia Governorship?

I'm not a Democrat, but I have noticed that the VA Democratic primaries have been pretty bitter.

And the bitterness hasn't come from the candidates themselves, its come from their fans who are having slapfights over who is the "true progressive".

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Perriello literally has no support of the Virginia establishment (Senator, Gov, State Leg.) but has the backing of Washington (Sanders, Warren, Hillary & Obama people) - It is kinda sad how the primary should be about picking the strongest candidate with the best ideas but it becomes about who gets more establishment support (Virginia of DC).

Anyways, Northam was pretty hard on Perriello about a few votes in the debate while Tom was more about you voted for Bush twice. Perriello isn't taking Dominion money, opposes the pipelines, proposes free community college, is stronger on the environment, was 1st to propose 15$ Min wage & runs a share stronger than Northam vs the Republicans ! He is making a legitimate case against a man who voted twice for freaking Bush & voted for Cap n Trade & for ACA which cost him his seat !

In the end whoever wins, will probably beat the Republican & neither are bad. But the Democrats have failed totally statewide in Virginia, don't control the Legislature & have not got a lot of stuff done - Nothing like the 15$ Wage will come until the Democrats take back the State Leg.

In the end, the party's success is not about holding onto power of Gov races etc but about what difference it makes in the lives of people through policies. Virginia is one of the states without Medicaid expansion which is a total embarrassment given many Republican states have also done so ! I saw Perrielo speaking about taking State Legislatures in an interview with MSNBC & he is a welcome change from the same old, same old which has lost more than 900 state legislative seats & is satisfied with getting crumbs !

Isn't that US politics in general?

Big money sucks on politics like a fat leech.

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Corey Stewart seems likely to drop out on the GOP Side today.

Is this because of Richard Spencer's Tiki Torch Stunt?

Talk about egg on the face for Corey lol.

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I don't see how any Republican wins with those numbers.

Good Ol' Trump screwed the pooch down in the Commonwealth.

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Siobhan Dunnavant Withdraws [Bryce Reeves] Reeves Endorsement for LG

https://bearingdrift.com/2017/05/20/siobhan-dunnavan-withdraws-reeves-endorsement/

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Just got back from voting.

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I'm kinda feeling like Stewart will win at this rate.

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I do expect Gillespie and Vogel to get a boost once more precincts from NoVA come in.

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What was the difference between Justin Fairfax and Susan Platt?

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If Stewart wins, I am gonna vote Northam

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To beat a dead horse here, how well could Gillespie do in Northern Virginia?

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These are starting to pop up around Virginia:

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Don't they realize that tying Gillespie with Trump won't necessarily help him in a state like this?

This would only make sense if Stewart was the nominee.

Gillespie has at least been somewhat of a "NeverTrumper"

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Who is voting on pipelines? This is a ridiculous wedge issue..

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I have absolutely no idea who I'm gonna vote for at this rate.

I like both candidates.

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I have absolutely no idea who I'm gonna vote for at this rate.

I like both candidates.

You didn't have a Ed Gillespie signature recently? Why did you change your mind ?

I've been going on and off of being an undecided voter, so I'm gonna refrain from endorsing a candidate until later on the election.

I'm gonna assume that I'll end up voting for Gillespie (I do like his tax plan), but I have no deep stances as of yet.

I am satisfied with both candidates and I think they will both make decent governors.

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Gillespie definitely won.

I hate to say it but I think your right.

Northam went on a few cringe worthy tangents, such as flipping subjects and criticizing the moderator, and also spoke in vague and hollow terms, in both summaries and rebuttals, while Gillespie utilized statistics very effectively. However, if I was a resident of Virginia, this debate would not impact my vote very much. But, I used to hate Gillespie, but after I watched the debate, I only dislike him now instead, something about the guy, I don't know... still definitely rooting for Northam though, just less excitedly than before.

I also thought Gillespie sounded better than Northam.

The worst part for Northam was where after Gillespie talked about his tax plan, Northam talked some generic platitudes about "coming together with both sides to construct a tax plan" and Gillespie responded by saying that Northam's tax plan was "to have a tax plan" and then went back to touting his own tax plan to cut income taxes gradually by 10 percent as long as there is enough revenue in the budget to do so (to prevent a situation like we saw in Kansas).

I'd say Gillespie won that debate.

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Also, I had an issue with the moderator as I felt she cut off time to short, which ended up forcing Gillespie and Northam to eat their words as they finish up their sentence. I feel like she should have given them a bit more time each to speak. I was not very impressed with the moderator due to that.

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Okay I just watched the debate and I'll definitely say Gillespie did a good job. Let's not blow the importance of this out of proportion though; only 3% in that Monmouth poll said they watched it, which is not surprising considering it's July.

Northam is letting Gillespie outflank him on economics, which is very disappointing considering how well McAuliffe has done bringing jobs through trade missions and such. Northam needs to run on being a second-term of McAuliffe IMO.

I also laughed when Gillespie suggested a transportation lockbox, which is not necessarily a bad idea and I want to hear more about it. Northam needs to actually start putting up more concrete plans as well.

Gillespie really impressed me in that debate and I'm pretty certain that I'll end up voting for him.

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Thank God Corey Stewart never became the GOP nominee.

I would have honestly voted for Periello/Northam in a heartbeat if Stewart was the nominee

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Thank God Corey Stewart never became the GOP nominee.

I would have honestly voted for Periello/Northam in a heartbeat if Stewart was the nominee

I must be the opposite of you,  because I am going to vote Dem this time since Corey did not get the nominee.

Though I am a former Republican, we seem to be on the opposite ends of the political spectrum of that party.