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« on: May 03, 2022, 04:16:13 PM »

At some point we need to start ignoring the courts.

What exactly does "ignoring the courts" entail here?
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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2022, 04:26:26 PM »

At some point we need to start ignoring the courts.

What exactly does "ignoring the courts" entail here?

Arguing that Marbury v. Madison/judicial review was an invalid and unconstitutional ruling/concept; that the Supreme Court is an advisory body; and adopting the paraphrased spirit of Andrew Jackson ("[The court] has made [its] decision; now let [them] enforce it").

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As Matt Bruenig argues at the People's Policy Project, it would be quite easy in practical terms to get rid of judicial review: "All the president has to do is assert that Supreme Court rulings about constitutionality are merely advisory and non-binding, that Marbury (1803) was wrongly decided, and that the constitutional document says absolutely nothing about the Supreme Court having this power." So, for instance, if Congress were to pass some law expanding Medicare, and the reactionaries on the court say it's unconstitutional because Cthulhu fhtagn, the president would say "no, I am trusting Congress on this one, and I will continue to operate the program as instructed."

I get that, but Roe v. Wade was a Supreme Court ruling to begin with. What exactly could Biden or Democrats do that would prevent red states from banning abortion?

(Pass a law that makes abortion legal everywhere I guess, but that requires Manchin agreeing to get rid of the filibuster, and it's not really the same as "ignoring the courts".)
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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2022, 03:25:12 PM »

Jesus Christ, just say "people". "Birthing bodies" appeals to no one.
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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2022, 04:01:26 PM »

Jesus Christ, just say "people". "Birthing bodies" appeals to no one.

Agreed, but no idea why anyone who's ostensibly trans-inclusive would be offended by the sentiment of including trans people who can get pregnant.

The sentiment is great, if that's what the sentiment is actually about, but the execution just riles up hateful people while dehumanizing anyone who can get pregnant.
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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2022, 05:48:24 PM »

Jesus Christ, just say "people". "Birthing bodies" appeals to no one.

Or just say women.

That wouldn't be inclusive to trans men or AFAB non-binary people.


Lol

If you think trans men and AFAB non-binary people can't get pregnant, you're denying biology.
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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2022, 05:51:39 PM »

If you really, really want to make sure you're inclusive of trans people, why not just say "pregnant people"?  Why do we need to invent an almost deliberately alienating new term for this?

Again, I would just go with "people" in this case, since there's clearly no way that a non-pregnant person could have an abortion, so there's no need to specify that they're pregnant.

I have no idea what the purpose of using "bodies" is, but I'm fairly confident that it isn't more trans-inclusive than "people". "Birthing" is just an awkward term, especially when we're talking about abortion where the main point is that you aren't giving birth.
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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2022, 07:45:46 PM »


A literal Nazi. Definitely someone looking out for women's rights.
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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2022, 07:47:08 PM »


Alloromantic just means you're romantically attracted to other people (i.e. not aromantic, i.e. over 90% of the adult human population).
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2022, 05:41:26 PM »

Everyone does realize that abortion bans typically are supply-side bans by shutting down clinics and punishing providers, not demand-side bans to punish mothers, who were mostly lied to and deceived by the abortion industry, right?

Is abortion murder? If so, doesn't that make people who get abortions murderers?
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