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« on: December 09, 2016, 07:30:42 PM »

Yeah, this is the one I'm most pessimistic about. I have it as Lean R for now.
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2016, 03:42:18 AM »

Great news! All aboard the Trump train!

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Trump reportedly will name US Sen Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND) as Agriculture Secretary. Under ND law, a special election will be held for seat.

That Twitter account's only source is Politico, which says that she is his top choice but not that she will accept.

Obviously Trump wants her out of the Senate. No surprise there.
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2016, 02:13:15 PM »

and I'd vote for a reasonable conservative Democrat like Heitkamp against him in a heartbeat.

Except that Heitkamp is not a conservative Democrat.
Yes, she is. She's pro-gun, (reasonably) pro-life, and quite literally went "drill baby, drill!" when asked about the Keystone Pipeline in the 2012 Senate debates.

Excuse me, but she is typical moderate. To see a REAL conservative Democrat look at somebody like James Eastland or James Allen, for example...THEY were conservatives, no doubt. Now "progressivwes" use word "conservative" to ANY Democrat who dares to disagree with their positions. Be it economy, social issues, foreign policy, whatever.. Essentially the same politics that far-right Republicans use against their more "sane" brethethern. Both parties "activists" went mad...

Or maybe we actually care about some issues?
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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2016, 02:34:35 PM »

and I'd vote for a reasonable conservative Democrat like Heitkamp against him in a heartbeat.

Except that Heitkamp is not a conservative Democrat.
Yes, she is. She's pro-gun, (reasonably) pro-life, and quite literally went "drill baby, drill!" when asked about the Keystone Pipeline in the 2012 Senate debates.

Excuse me, but she is typical moderate. To see a REAL conservative Democrat look at somebody like James Eastland or James Allen, for example...THEY were conservatives, no doubt. Now "progressivwes" use word "conservative" to ANY Democrat who dares to disagree with their positions. Be it economy, social issues, foreign policy, whatever.. Essentially the same politics that far-right Republicans use against their more "sane" brethethern. Both parties "activists" went mad...

Or maybe we actually care about some issues?

Without allowing ANY dissent within a party? Good work, guys. But - no, thanks..

I don't see how calling Heitkamp a conservative is "not allowing any dissent within the party." Obviously she needs to be conservative on some issues to get re-elected in North Dakota, and I get that.
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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2016, 11:49:14 PM »

and I'd vote for a reasonable conservative Democrat like Heitkamp against him in a heartbeat.

Except that Heitkamp is not a conservative Democrat.
Yes, she is. She's pro-gun, (reasonably) pro-life, and quite literally went "drill baby, drill!" when asked about the Keystone Pipeline in the 2012 Senate debates.

Excuse me, but she is typical moderate. To see a REAL conservative Democrat look at somebody like James Eastland or James Allen, for example...THEY were conservatives, no doubt. Now "progressivwes" use word "conservative" to ANY Democrat who dares to disagree with their positions. Be it economy, social issues, foreign policy, whatever.. Essentially the same politics that far-right Republicans use against their more "sane" brethethern. Both parties "activists" went mad...

Or maybe we actually care about some issues?

Without allowing ANY dissent within a party? Good work, guys. But - no, thanks..

I don't see how calling Heitkamp a conservative is "not allowing any dissent within the party." Obviously she needs to be conservative on some issues to get re-elected in North Dakota, and I get that.

I already gave an examples of conservative Democrats. Is Heitkamp similar to any of them?Huh

I don't really have an opinion on whether Heitkamp is or isn't a conservative. I just don't see how it's "insane" to have a different definition of conservative from yours.
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2016, 12:06:21 AM »

People like Feinstein, Carper, Hassan, McCaskill, etc. are all very liberal, but apparently not liberal enough for many Democrats (for reasons I will never understand).

Because you're not a liberal.
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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2016, 12:29:19 AM »

People like Feinstein, Carper, Hassan, McCaskill, etc. are all very liberal, but apparently not liberal enough for many Democrats (for reasons I will never understand).

Because you're not a liberal.

So your "yardsticks" are absolutely relative: a liberal is only he/she who, you think, is a liberal? Well, is it not too much for someone to be a "judge"? I, at least, use a sort of "standards' developed in Europe and US for years, to characterize political views of the people, you - your personal opinion only..

I just recognize that people are going to apply harsher standards to their own side of the spectrum. I don't think that's a good thing or a bad thing, but it's a thing.
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