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« on: September 13, 2019, 05:04:16 PM »

Probably not too many.

I see a lot of people talking about how not too many people switch from Clinton to Trump because of Kaine. Obviously--this is not ground-breaking analysis. I think the idea of Kaine was to take suburban votes (the people privileged enough to care about civility and stability over actual issues) and be a little more appealing to Catholics (I guess buying into the idea she was going to bleed Catholics because of that email Fox was whining about or whatever. I guess it's just the conventional wisdom that you have to have one Catholic on your ticket nowadays. I don't think regular people have cared about if the VP is Catholic or not in a while, but no one asked me.)

The thing is, millions upon millions of Americans could've voted but didn't. A lot of them probably weren't going to no matter what, but there were probably several million who were D vs. nothing/third party or R vs. nothing/third party. Probably for weird reasons, and probably Kaine didn't matter too much. But people make a severe error to assume all voters are solid D, solid R, or Smiley Pragmatic Smiley Centrists:).

Again, Kaine didn't matter too much--and that's the issue with Kaine. It wasn't that people were like "ew, Kaine." I'd wager a guess just about anyone who hates Tim Kaine hates Hillary Clinton more. The problem is that basically everyone who's a big Tim Kaine fan was already going to vote for Hillary Clinton no matter what. A good VP pick adds to the coalition. (An example is Pence for Trump--a lot of people felt way more safe about Trump with Pence--negating his "New York Values" i.e. making sure he's bigoted enough-- and people who Trump brought in weren't as put off as if he picked, say, Rubio.) A bad VP takes away from the coalition--frankly I think this would've happened with Hillary/Bernie. The fraction of voters who defected from Clinton because Sanders lost would've mostly just been like "wow, Bernie's another shill Sad" and the neoliberal suburbanites would've been worried Clinton was wavering on her steadfast positions of bombing the scary countries and ignoring wealth inequality. Warren or Brown would've been a more coherent pick.
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