Opinion of Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him)

[Leinad]

I'd be interested to know why people who aren't Muslim are voting FF.

Because a few of us are reasonably well informed, and because a few of us are not bigots.

First, the default generally is not to say nasty shit about dead people--Ted Kennedy, all Nazis, and most Republicans excepted of course, for being truly horrible people--and thus the argument lies with the prosecution, and not with the defendant.  Second, he is remembered--not for really bad stuff like Josef Stalin, but more like Mohandas K. Gandhi and George Washington--for organizing people.   Organization is not an easily achieved state.  Mohammed was born into a society in which alcoholism was rampant, and into a society in which domestic abuse, child neglect, and internecine warfare was the norm.  He tried hard to do something about these problems, and in large measure succeeded, at least to the extent that he achieved a following.  I'm a little surprised that this left-leaning forum would be so quick to judge him so poorly, but then I also am reminded that the average age of the forum poster is of someone who probably hasn't graduated from university yet, or even from high school yet, so I should not be too terribly surprised.

I know that it's fashionable to suscribe to the Fox News/CNN/BBC belief that every Muslim is a terrorist and a wife beater and a knuckle-dragging barbarian, but you should really open your minds and try to avoid such unjustified bigotry.

I wonder more why a majority are so hateful toward him.

Well, he ordered for the death of me and everyone like me (i.e. non-Muslims), so I don't see why I should hold him in high regard like a Ghandi or Washington.

Am I the only one shocked by the inconsistency in demanding "open-mindedness" for and condemning "bigotry" against a religion that mistreats women, gays, and anyone who doesn't share their beliefs? I, for one, am in favor of women's rights, gay rights, freedom of religion, and age of consent.

Are most Muslims okay people, like the rest of us? Of course. But no one's disagreeing with that, so you look a little silly for trying to prove that agreed-upon point.

[Leinad]

I'd be interested to know why people who aren't Muslim are voting FF.

Yes I get why Muslims vote FF (you're allowed to make excuse for your our own religious figures), but I would love to hear why non-Muslims vote FF for a medieval warlord, who married a 5 year old (and consummated the marriage when she was age 9). This is accoording to the Muslims own lore, not according to Islamophobic sources.

So I personal would love to hear the non-Islamic argument for why Muhammed was a FF.

Clearly Muslims were the only people to do this sh_t in history. Yep, those enlightened FF ancient Greeks and Romans would never marry men in their late 20s with pre-pubescent girls! Oh-so-superior and pure European Christians who came centuries after Muhammad never did it either!

I don't get your point...are you saying it's okay because other people did it?

[Leinad]

Are most Muslims okay people, like the rest of us? Of course. But no one's disagreeing with that, so you look a little silly for trying to prove that agreed-upon point.

That was never my point.  I tried to avoid any discussion of Islam in general, and focus only on Mohammed.  If I look silly to you, imagine how very silly you now look to me, given that you apparently do not read well.

No, I suppose my point wasn't articulated well enough.

You accused everyone who didn't have a favorable opinion of him to be "bigots," indicating that it's some sort of anti-Islamic stance. Having an unfavorable opinion of one person isn't being a bigot.