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Tarazis
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« on: December 10, 2004, 10:14:00 PM »

If the Republicans get there canditate elected in 2008 and the states fall in the same way that they did in 2004. What do you think that those states that voted Democrat will feel like, or do, when you cosider that the "Democratic" states pay through federal taxes for the "Republican" states?
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Tarazis
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« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2004, 01:48:31 PM »

"If Democrats get their candidate in in 2008, what do you think Republicans will do given what their voters pay in federal taxes for the Democratic voters?"

About your numbers, there is one think that i feel should be pointed out, there would not be the same number of people earning over $200,000 per annum as there would be for those who earn less than $15,000. So just because you earn alot of money dosen't make you right.

Also the question was about those states who voted for Kerry (Dem) and the ones who make a greater contrabution in tax to the federal government than the funds that the recive and those who went for Bush (Rep) are those who make less of a contrabution to the federal government than the funds they recive. so net contributers are funding those states that are, by the quirks of the election system, the ones that would be chosing a consirvate president.



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Tarazis
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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2004, 08:22:45 PM »

"Each state contributes a certain number of electors to the electoral college, who vote according to the majority in their state. The candidate receiving a majority of the votes in the electoral college wins the election. The electoral votes are apportioned roughly according to states' populations, as measured by the census, but with a small but deliberate bias in favor of smaller states."

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/

The top five states where the tax burden as a percent of income is the highest are:
New York (12.9%): kerry
Maine (12.3%): Kerry
Ohio (11.3%): Kerry
Hawaii (11.3%): Kerry
Rhode Island (11.1%): Kerry 

The five states with the lowest tax burden as a percent of income are:
Alaska (6.3%): Bush
New Hampshire (7.5%): Kerry
Delaware (8.2%): Kerry
Tennessee (8.5%): Bush
Texas (8.7%): Bush

The United States average is 10.0%.

http://www.retirementliving.com/RLtaxes.html

But the following would lead me to think that those who votred for Kerry are the states which would make the larger contrabution to the Federal Budget, and those who would pay the least would pay the least. And only through the quirk of the electoral college would get a slightly greater clouth and that would not generally be much of a problem if it were not so close.

what i would like to see is the actual numbers of those who voted for each candaite and there incomes. Coz I think that taking presentages without the actual numbers is quoting that data out of context.

i think that looking it at the following, would give a greater impression of which income brackets voted for which canditate.

Ave. Income (per state) for Bush           $28,333
Ave. Income (per state) for Kerry           $34,672

I've included the data that I used for the caluclations and I have sorted it from the state with the largest average income per person to the state with the lowest average income per person.

states                Income/ person($)  2004 vote
District of Columbia   48,342             Kerry
Connecticut            43,173                   Kerry
New Jersey            40,427             Kerry
Oregon                     39,815             Kerry
Maryland                     37,331             Kerry
New York                     36,574             Kerry
New Hampshire            34,702             Kerry
Minnesota                     34,443             Kerry
Colorado                     34,238             Bush
California                     33,749             Kerry
Virginia                     33,671             Bush
Illinois                     33,590             Kerry
Alaska                     33,568             Bush
Washington            33,332             Kerry
Delaware                     32,810             Kerry
Wyoming                     32,808             Bush
Pennsylvania            31,998             Kerry
Rhode Island            31,996             Kerry
Nevada                     31,266             Bush
Hawaii                     30,913             Kerry
Wisconsin                     30,898             Kerry
Nebraska                     30,758             Bush
Vermont                     30,740             Kerry
Florida                     30,446             Bush
Michigan                     30,439             Kerry
Ohio                              29,944             Bush
Kansas                     29,935             Bush
Georgia                     29,442             Bush
Massachusetts            29,340             Kerry
South Dakota            29,234             Bush
North Dakota            29,204             Bush
Iowa                              29,043             Bush
Maine                     28,831             Kerry
Indiana                     28,783             Bush
Tennessee                     28,455             Bush
Texas                     28,372             Bush
Missouri                     28,252             Bush
North Carolina            28,235             Bush
Arizona                     26,838             Bush
Oklahoma                     26,656             Bush
Alabama                     26,338             Bush
Kentucky                     26,252             Bush
South Carolina            26,132             Bush
Louisiana                     26,100             Bush
Montana                     25,920             Bush
Idaho                     25,811             Bush
New Mexico            25,541             Bush
Utah                              24,977             Bush
West Virginia            24,379             Bush
Arkansas                     24,289             Bush
Mississippi                     23,448             Bush


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